Leafsimon Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I've been playing endless GEN '94 series with my buddy, always East vs. West. I'd like to know if people lean one way or the other on who's the better team. Looking at 'best player' threads, Roenick, Yzerman, Bure and Lemieux are usually up there, and since West can put J-Ro, Pavel and Stevie Wonder out on a single line, I figured that's the greatest combo ever. But, as with everything, there's probably more to it than that so I wanted to check with everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Definitely the West. I go with Selanne and Bure on the wings, Roenick at centre, Housley and I think Chelios on defense. With the weight bug, the Eastern Conference team simply can't compete; they aren't as fast, and they are too heavy, so too easy to knock over. With the weight bug fix, I'm not sure. I tend to believe speed wins games, so probably still the West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 No question it's the West. Forwards: Roenick, Bure, Yzerman, Fluery, Selanne >>>>> Mogilny, LaFontaine, Gartner, Recchi Defense: Housley, Chelios > Borque, Leetch Goalie: Belfour = Roy Notable missing members: Ciccarelli on the West, Don Sweeney on the East! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 No question it's the West. Forwards: Roenick, Bure, Yzerman, Fluery, Selanne >>>>> Mogilny, LaFontaine, Gartner, Recchi Defense: Housley, Chelios > Borque, Leetch Goalie: Belfour = Roy Notable missing members: Ciccarelli on the West, Don Sweeney on the East! Agreed, except that Roy is better than Belfour. Not by a lot (I think the large difference in those stats is due to the particular coaches drafting them), but still better. Probably due to the better glove hands and the tendency for players to shoot high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafsimon Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I play with the East. I think Roy does have an edge, he seems to stop some of the one-timers that go in on Eddie. You're right about the weight-bug, West can pinball their way to the net, the only way to stop them is crafty manual goalie, whereas the only way East scores is good passing and avoiding checks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafsimon Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 That said; are there better D further down the depth chart who are lighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafsimon Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 No question it's the West. Forwards: Roenick, Bure, Yzerman, Fluery, Selanne >>>>> Mogilny, LaFontaine, Gartner, Recchi Defense: Housley, Chelios > Borque, Leetch Goalie: Belfour = Roy Notable missing members: Ciccarelli on the West, Don Sweeney on the East! Interesting that you play A-Mo, LaF and Gart. I play Oates, Lemieux and A-Mo The Defence I switch up almost everygame, often during mid game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Robbie Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 This got me thinking, because it's pretty clear it's the West, but at the same time the games between the two always seem to be close, I guess because regardless of who has the most stars, or the weight bug etc, the quality in both teams is so high. So, position for position I was interested enough to put each team against each other to see who people would think would be better. I only suggest here the main contenders that we all know based on their overall ability, and their weight, which of course is so vitally important in GENS. I left a couple of heavy guys in as suggestions (You already know who they are) simply because their ability is that good they have to be considered. Feel free to comment or suggest other guys you really think are contenders: WEST OVERALL WEIGHT POSITION EAST OVERALL WEIGHT WINNER Chelios 85 196 LD Leetch 72 188 CHELIOS? Suter 81 196 RD Bourque 99 220 SUTER BASED ON WEIGHT? BOTH GREAT SLAPPERS Housley 83 188 RD Wesley 69 204 HOUSLEY ALL DAY? Yzerman 92 188 LW Gartner 83 196 DO I NEED TO SAY? Fluery 86 164 LW LaFontaine 92 180 FLUERY? Roenick 88 172 C Mogilny 96 196 LOVE MOGILNY, BUT IT HAS TO BE JR? Selanne 89 188 C Lemieux 98 220 LEMIEUX JUST DOESN'T CUT IT WITH THE WEIGHT BUG?! Bure 88 180 RW Sakic 83 188 BURE ALL THE WAY! Robitaille 84 196 RW Bondra 81 188 ROBITAILLE TAKES IT FOR ME FOR THE SUPERIOR SKILLS? So IMO the EAST doesn't win a single position, except Roy over Belfour in goal, which I haven't included here, but i'd still fancy my chances against anyone with a Bourque, Leetch, Gartner, Mogilny, Sakic line! ................Discuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Interesting that you play A-Mo, LaF and Gart. I play Oates, Lemieux and A-Mo The Defence I switch up almost everygame, often during mid game. I haven't actually played with ASE/ASW for a loooong time, so I don't know what lines I would actually use. I just noted the player ranks (see NHL'94 Rankings) and saw that West better than East. However, I can safely say I would never use Lemieux due to weight bug. He is 10 weight and falls like a feather to any check. I would avoid at all costs. Just terrible. I'd choose Gartner over Oates, same 7 weight, but Gartner has more speed (5 vs 4) and shot power/accuracy is 5/3 vs 3/4. That's mainly why, though, there may be a combo that I prefer more. Agreed, except that Roy is better than Belfour. Not by a lot (I think the large difference in those stats is due to the particular coaches drafting them), but still better. Probably due to the better glove hands and the tendency for players to shoot high. And Wendell Young is too! I just thought there wasn't a major advantage of Belfour over Roy, both so tough. Now I wonder what the GAA in classic results looks like for each team? I wonder if MTL and CHI are on top? Though GAA also factors in Defense, so it's not as accurate as the save percentage stats you have in Blitz. (so awesome to have all those stats, btw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 This got me thinking, because it's pretty clear it's the West, but at the same time the games between the two always seem to be close, I guess because regardless of who has the most stars, or the weight bug etc, the quality in both teams is so high. So, position for position I was interested enough to put each team against each other to see who people would think would be better. I only suggest here the main contenders that we all know based on their overall ability, and their weight, which of course is so vitally important in GENS. I left a couple of heavy guys in as suggestions (You already know who they are) simply because their ability is that good they have to be considered. Feel free to comment or suggest other guys you really think are contenders: WEST OVERALL WEIGHT POSITION EAST OVERALL WEIGHT WINNER Chelios 85 196 LD Leetch 72 188 CHELIOS? Suter 81 196 RD Bourque 99 220 SUTER BASED ON WEIGHT? BOTH GREAT SLAPPERS Housley 83 188 RD Wesley 69 204 HOUSLEY ALL DAY? Yzerman 92 188 LW Gartner 83 196 DO I NEED TO SAY? Fluery 86 164 LW LaFontaine 92 180 FLUERY? Roenick 88 172 C Mogilny 96 196 LOVE MOGILNY, BUT IT HAS TO BE JR? Selanne 89 188 C Lemieux 98 220 LEMIEUX JUST DOESN'T CUT IT WITH THE WEIGHT BUG?! Bure 88 180 RW Sakic 83 188 BURE ALL THE WAY! Robitaille 84 196 RW Bondra 81 188 ROBITAILLE TAKES IT FOR ME FOR THE SUPERIOR SKILLS? So IMO the EAST doesn't win a single position, except Roy over Belfour in goal, which I haven't included here, but i'd still fancy my chances against anyone with a Bourque, Leetch, Gartner, Mogilny, Sakic line! ................Discuss NO LEMIEUX! I'd throw Recchi in there. I can see taking Bondra over Robitaille, but otherwise the West takes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) Now I wonder what the GAA in classic results looks like for each team? I wonder if MTL and CHI are on top? Though GAA also factors in Defense, so it's not as accurate as the save percentage stats you have in Blitz. THE STATS DON'T LIE! Check out the top two teams in regards to GAA from the Classic results: TEAM GP GF GA GFA GAA CHI 491 2,355 1,571 4.796 3.200 MTL 392 1,556 1,266 3.969 3.230 BOS 333 1,253 1,124 3.763 3.375 BUF 486 1,944 1,665 4.000 3.426 NYI 40 216 140 5.400 3.500 NJ 68 219 250 3.221 3.676 DET 503 2,204 1,852 4.382 3.682 EDM 107 395 400 3.692 3.738 VAN 474 2,031 1,819 4.285 3.838 TOR 304 1,106 1,185 3.638 3.898 DAL 412 1,644 1,627 3.990 3.949 TB 98 398 390 4.061 3.980 LA 394 1,667 1,594 4.231 4.046 WSH 36 139 146 3.861 4.056 CAL 472 1,956 1,915 4.144 4.057 NYR 316 1,174 1,285 3.715 4.066 PIT 312 923 1,324 2.958 4.244 WPG 379 1,422 1,628 3.752 4.296 QUE 463 1,672 2,018 3.611 4.359 PHI 253 765 1,118 3.024 4.419 SJ 145 529 649 3.648 4.476 STL 171 452 767 2.643 4.485 HFD 131 490 644 3.740 4.916 OTT 32 136 158 4.250 4.938 ANA 38 114 225 3.000 5.921 Edited September 29, 2011 by kingraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafsimon Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 The things that win it for me as the East; Lemieux one-timers and slappers go in 95% of the time. Oates gets some of the weirdest goals to go in. A-mo does it on break aways. Roy seems to come up with saves that Belfour doesn't. You can't ever expect to stay up if you're hit, so you're always passing with East. You have to hold and hook a lot on defense. I feel like East doesn't f**k up as many one-timers or miss passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafsimon Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 That and my buddy plays a very one dimensional game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggink444 Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 THE STATS DON'T LIE! Check out the top two teams in regards to GAA from the Classic results: TEAM GP GF GA GFA GAA CHI 491 2,355 1,571 4.796 3.200 MTL 392 1,556 1,266 3.969 3.230 BOS 333 1,253 1,124 3.763 3.375 BUF 486 1,944 1,665 4.000 3.426 NYI 40 216 140 5.400 3.500 NJ 68 219 250 3.221 3.676 DET 503 2,204 1,852 4.382 3.682 EDM 107 395 400 3.692 3.738 VAN 474 2,031 1,819 4.285 3.838 TOR 304 1,106 1,185 3.638 3.898 DAL 412 1,644 1,627 3.990 3.949 TB 98 398 390 4.061 3.980 LA 394 1,667 1,594 4.231 4.046 WSH 36 139 146 3.861 4.056 CAL 472 1,956 1,915 4.144 4.057 NYR 316 1,174 1,285 3.715 4.066 PIT 312 923 1,324 2.958 4.244 WPG 379 1,422 1,628 3.752 4.296 QUE 463 1,672 2,018 3.611 4.359 PHI 253 765 1,118 3.024 4.419 SJ 145 529 649 3.648 4.476 STL 171 452 767 2.643 4.485 HFD 131 490 644 3.740 4.916 OTT 32 136 158 4.250 4.938 ANA 38 114 225 3.000 5.921 According to this the Isles lead are the best scoring team! Low sample size, but still funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halifax Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 THE STATS DON'T LIE! Check out the top two teams in regards to GAA from the Classic results: TEAM GP GF GA GFA GAA CHI 491 2,355 1,571 4.796 3.200 MTL 392 1,556 1,266 3.969 3.230 BOS 333 1,253 1,124 3.763 3.375 BUF 486 1,944 1,665 4.000 3.426 NYI 40 216 140 5.400 3.500 NJ 68 219 250 3.221 3.676 DET 503 2,204 1,852 4.382 3.682 EDM 107 395 400 3.692 3.738 VAN 474 2,031 1,819 4.285 3.838 TOR 304 1,106 1,185 3.638 3.898 DAL 412 1,644 1,627 3.990 3.949 TB 98 398 390 4.061 3.980 LA 394 1,667 1,594 4.231 4.046 WSH 36 139 146 3.861 4.056 CAL 472 1,956 1,915 4.144 4.057 NYR 316 1,174 1,285 3.715 4.066 PIT 312 923 1,324 2.958 4.244 WPG 379 1,422 1,628 3.752 4.296 QUE 463 1,672 2,018 3.611 4.359 PHI 253 765 1,118 3.024 4.419 SJ 145 529 649 3.648 4.476 STL 171 452 767 2.643 4.485 HFD 131 490 644 3.740 4.916 OTT 32 136 158 4.250 4.938 ANA 38 114 225 3.000 5.921 Bud...did you compile all fo these stats yourself? awesome... are these gens only stats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafsimon Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 So general consensus is that West is the better team, and that given these two line-ups, West should usually win: W: Coffee, Housley, Roenick, Yzerman, Bure E: Bourque, Zalapski, Oates, Lemieux, Mogilny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Bud...did you compile all fo these stats yourself? awesome... are these gens only stats? I copy/pasted the from the nhl94online site from all the classic seasons that were available (Spring'08 to Spring'11). GENS only -- I originally did this for the NHL'94 Rankings thread, so I had the stats handy now. According to this the Isles lead are the best scoring team! Low sample size, but still funny. That was IceStorm's 29-11 season (Fall'10), remarkable with NYI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 So general consensus is that West is the better team, and that given these two line-ups, West should usually win: W: Coffee, Housley, Roenick, Yzerman, Bure E: Bourque, Zalapski, Oates, Lemieux, Mogilny With Borque and Zalapski back there, and Lemieux in the lineup, I would say that West would ALWAYS win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafsimon Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 With Borque and Zalapski back there, and Lemieux in the lineup, I would say that West would ALWAYS win. That's what I thought. West is the better team by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafsimon Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 You could probably beat the East with Chi or Mtl, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 You could probably beat the East with Chi or Mtl, no? Well, now we're getting into individual player skill. A strong player can use Florida and beat the ASE against a weaker player! That all depends on who is using the teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafsimon Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Well, now we're getting into individual player skill. A strong player can use Florida and beat the ASE against a weaker player! That all depends on who is using the teams. No, no...assuming equal players. Not unfeasible that Chi or Mtl can beat East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWingDevil Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) It seems as though the East has the short end of the stick, at least where the weight bug is concerned. However, I feel that with the true game and the SNES version, it feels like a totally different animal here. Sure, some of the heavy guys feel somewhat unwieldy, but this is not always the case depending on which players you actually choose to use. Messier and Lemieux, for one, aren't total slowpokes and have a strong all-around skillset that makes them formidable players. Of course, Messier isn't a total crackshot, but that is definitely workable if you get guys such as Modano and Gartner scoring constantly despite not having stellar accuracy. If you need a better stay-at-home defenseman who can still be quite a bruiser to go along with Ray Bourque, you can't go wrong with Ulf Samuelsson or you can also get Scott Stevens into the mix. For wingers, you need either guys with great skill (Dale Hawerchuk, Adam Oates), snipers (Dimitri Khirstich, Geoff Sanderson) or bruisers who can do a bit of everything when given the chance (Cam Neely, Esa Tikkanen). In goalie, you can't go wrong with either Roy or Grant Fuhr. Really, I think it all depends on the number of combinations you'd like to use when it comes to such a showdown and knowing what to do with them. The East may seem to have the short end of the stick, but writing them off just because you're too fancy with a bunch of speedsters that can go squish at the right moment isn't exactly something you'd like to do. It all comes down with experience. Edited September 30, 2011 by RedWingDevil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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