hokkeefan Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Well we could assign a few guys to okay the trades but they have to be available so there isn't a 24 hr wait on a trade confirmation and just make it 3 max trades.DONE . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlabaxV2 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Relax lol.. You aren't deciding how it works and I still haven't even touched the code. This thing really shouldnt start until say November anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Robbie Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 So are you saying the draft wont start until November? Cos trading can take place during the draft - players & trade picks. If the draft starts soon it makes sense to have this sorted out beforehand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlabaxV2 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) EDIT : Ahh it says "Trading Discussion", thought it was strictly for trades, my bad. Edited August 17, 2013 by PlabaxV2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kupuck19 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Why not instead of approving trades we have a trade veto process instead. For example, coaches A & B make a trade on 8/17 at 9:15pm on the forums. From the time the trade is posted to the forums, give 48 hours for any given member of the league to veto the trade. If a trade is brought up for veto, make a thread in which members can discuss and vote a poll on the individual trade. Than based on the judgment of the league mod a decision should be made. If every trade were to go to vote it would take forever and be a waste of time. A veto process would only bring the controversial trades that need review to the spotlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlabaxV2 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Yeah I see but the problem is when people trade players they just got from a trade right away Having to wait 48 hours would kinda suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokkeefan Posted August 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 November! Well you won't hear another thing from me till December about this. LETS GO Classic fall lg !!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokkeefan Posted August 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 You can forget about blitz till December ,no use discussing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Why don't we make 1 guy the trade "commissioner". Someone who is not in the league, perhaps the first guy on the waiting list? He can ok the trade or deem it unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStorm70 Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 We should all just agree to use Smo's trade evaluator formula. If we do that there would be nothing to argue about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokkeefan Posted August 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 yep sounds good,no need to carry on this post till November,i don't want to even think of November now hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlabaxV2 Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 I said it SHOULDNT start until November. I have already finished the Home/About/Downloads/Standings/Results pages , I think we should release the protection picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokkeefan Posted August 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 (edited) no rush buddy ,I was just expecting it soon cause im a fing 94 freak and want to succeed for once and not make a s**t team every fn season,was lookin forward to it soon,im a changed 94 freak,I WANNA FN WIN !!!! Edited August 18, 2013 by hokkeefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Robbie Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 Hahaha. If there's one guy that needs an admin to control trades it's Hokkee!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokkeefan Posted August 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 (edited) Edited August 18, 2013 by hokkeefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Robbie Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 I don't remember that, but thanks. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 We should all just agree to use Smo's trade evaluator formula. If we do that there would be nothing to argue about.A couple weeks ago I actually saw an article online where someone came up with pretty much the same formula for ranking actual NHL drafted players. My formula is 1000/(pick+10), whereas for real NHL it was something like 391/(pick+8) 310/(Pick+3.3) EDIT: here's the article, including a graph that shows the determined actual value of draft picks, and the formula: http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=187 The formula they came up with was 310 / (Pick + 3.3) The top numbers (1000 or 310) don't really matter, since they just scale it up. The tricky number to find is the bottom number, the 10 or 3.3. The real NHL draft number of 3.3 is really low which means draft player value drops off really fast in a real draft (there's only 1-3 great players per draft), whereas in NHL94, there's more like 10-20 stand-out players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokkeefan Posted August 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 I said it SHOULDNT start until November. I have already finished the Home/About/Downloads/Standings/Results pages , I think we should release the protection picks. okeedokee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStorm70 Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 From smozoma; we should consider this for blitz tho protection rounds make things tricky Here is something I tried out with Blitz that gave decent results.A player or pick has a trade value of 1000 divided by (draft position + 10).So 1st pick has a value of 1000/(1+10) = 91. 10th pick has a value of 1000/(10+10)=50. And so on.Calculate this for each player in a trade. If the final trade ratio is far away from 1.0, it could be a bad trade.I found that a surprisingly large amount of blitz trades were very close to equal using this formula.Some sample trades... Player Pick Value Trevor Linden 36 -> 21.74 Scott Stevens 35 -> 22.22 Mike Richter 85 -> 10.53 TOTAL 54.49 For --------------------- Kirk Muller 25 -> 28.57 Chris Chelios 48 -> 17.24 Sean Burke 99 -> 9.17 TOTAL 54.99 Steve Yzerman 10 -> 50.00Rob Blake 43 -> 18.87TOTAL 68.87For -----------------------Dino Ciccarelli 17 -> 37.04Paul Coffey 23 -> 30.30TOTAL 67.34SCOTT STEVENS 35 -> 22.22PETER BONDRA 53 -> 15.8710.15 231 -> (ignore, 10th round player doesn''t actually play)TOTAL 38.10For -----------------------WAYNE GRETZKY 31 -> 24.396.07 127 -> 7.306.12 132 -> 7.04TOTAL 38.73Bad trades:Tomas Sandstrom 11 -> 47.622.12 36 -> 21.74TOTAL 69.36For -----------------------Pavel Bure 6 -> 62.502.16 40 -> 20.00TOTAL 82.50The above trade isn't too bad.. but there is definitely a possibility of problem if moving up near the start of the 1st and down only a little in the 2ndMark Messier 13 -> 43.484.2 92 -> 9.80TOTAL 53.38For -----------------------2.21 45 -> 18.184.07 79 -> 11.24TOTAL 29.42Players from the 8th round and on shouldn't even count.One problem with this system is that if someone picks a player way too early, his value is inflated. This could be mitigated by using average draft positions in draft history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think this formula, along with ADP is a fair way to evaluate questionable trades. I think that if a trade seems unreasonable (given the formula + human judgement), we give a voting period of 24 hrs. Those parties outside of the people involved in the trade who vote in that 24 hr period will decide to let it through or not. Majority wins. MOST trades are normal...so this shouldn't interfere with the flow of the draft. Better to play it slow and safe, to avoid arguments. No need to rush a draft for a season and playoffs that take months to complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 IceStorm brings up a valid point with protection picks. For instance, if someone were to trade a mid-late 2nd round pick for a first round protection pick, would that be considered a "good" trade? The person receiving the protection pick would essentially be protecting someone who could be picked in the 2nd or 4th round, or could have been picked with their third round protection pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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