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Keepers and Parity

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I have been thinking about the Keeper situation.  

Originally, I (and some others) thought that once you have a Keeper, you have him permanently.  Coach Mac mentioned that he doesn't want an all star team accumulated, like the Oilers were, and you don't get any permanent keepers.  Every year is a new year, with only 1 or 2 carried over from the year before.  And the finaists get zero.  Well, after pondering this, I have found (what I think is) a flaw in that scenario.

I will probably make the playoffs this year.  And there is an outside chance I could even make the finals.  For hypothetical reasons, to illustrate the flaw I see, let's say I make the finals with King Raph.

---> START OF HYPOTHETICAL (Though entirely possible!) SITUATION
For me to make the finals it took me assembling a Dream Team, with two keepers (66 and 88) and a high draft pick (starting with Roy) because I did so poor the year before.  For Raph to make the finals, it took... nothing but his insane talent;  no keepers and a low pick.  I got where I am because of medium skill and a lot of "welfare", Raph got there with no "welfare" and all skill!  This is great and makes sense.  For THIS year.

BUT!  As I understand it, the two finalists will then get a low pick, and no keepers next season!  Raph will do just fine.  But if a weaker player (me!) then loses all of his keepers, and gets no advantage the next season, I will absolutely be starting at the bottom again.  Even worse than expansion teams. (Because I will be picking even further down than they did.)  This is not good for anyone.  We want parity, right?
---> END OF HYPOTHETICAL (Though entirely possible!) SITUATION

Here is what I suggest.

We take into account how many keepers a person currently has, and factor that into the next season.  If someone makes the finals, that team is strong, and they should definitely not get an "extra" keeper.  But if they got to the finals because they have "some" keepers, to strip them all away is too drastic.  And even though Jer_33 had two keepers this season, he still didn't make playoffs, so I think he should get at least 2 keepers still.  After all, his advantage wasn't big enough to boost his team to the playoffs, so why take that advantage away?  What I think is fair is something like this:

Finish top 2: You are allowed a max of 1 keeper, but if you never had one you get +0
Finish 3-8: You are allowed a max of 2 keepers, but if you never had one you get +1
Finish 9-10: You are allowed a max of 2 keepers, but if you never had one you get +2

Yes, this is more complicated.  But it is not *that*complicated.  Basically you are never allowed more than 2 keepers.  But there is a "legacy" component that allows people that need them to keep 1 or 2.  In this scenario, it is possible Raph will never get a keeper.  (The dude doesn't appear to need them!)  And it is possible a weak player will always have 2 keepers.  But I think it would make things much more even, overall.  

What do you think?

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I think if you get a super team & get to keep super players for multiple seasons & then get into the finals, it's worth having to start over.

i like the idea of eventually losing your keeper team if it gets too strong to beat.

i understand your pints clearly.  They were well articulated with excellent analogies!

i just disagree.  

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Aqua, I absolutely love your thoughts and passion for this game, but if you make the Finals you will get no keepers.

Season 3 will be Norris Division and 1961.
Season 4 will be Smythe Division and 1966

Season 5 will be a surprise draft pool.

Season 6 I am not sure about yet.

I do appreciate your input.
You have done a great job assembling a Dream Team and you have a legit shot at winning the Bailey Bobble.

WIN NOW!

 

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I am a team player and fine with whatever decision.  :)

But I do hope people understand in the situation I outlined, I would not have a Dream Team.  I would retain only a single Keeper.  That is, my team would be reduced.

In the situation I outlined,  Jer_33 would keep 2 guys, and (likely) have a similar team to what he does already.

The bottom guys only would get a boost, and (essentially) A guys that make the finals would get nothing.

My suggestion creates parity -- more teams in the middle -- it does not foster Dream Teams.   For welfare teams that make finals, starting from scratch again seems strange (cruel and unsual), whereas "knocking them down a notch" back to the middle seems fair.

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For the record, I only had 1 keeper last season (Messier).

I do think that we should scale the retro guys back to 1/team, and/or limit the number of good retro players.  The A guys are still putting together really good teams, without having to worry that they cannot keep them. 

 

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Basically what @Brutus said. 

You make the finals, that is your season to win!  The following season may be a rebuilding for you, but that means some other person has a chance to win the cup/bobble head!  Figuring out if this is your strong season also factors into the draft. 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, jer_33 said:

 

I do think that we should scale the retro guys back to 1/team, and/or limit the number of good retro players.  The A guys are still putting together really good teams, without having to worry that they cannot keep them. 

 

I agree to an extent.

The main reason I made more Retro guys available is we went from 6 to 10 teams and I wanted more players than the 6 Adams teams, especially considering 1 of the teams was Ottawa.

I am not sure exactly what that will look like in Season 3, but need everyones input on that part.

Big question is How many teams we have in season 3?

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You can't have your cake, and eat it to man!  Enjoy the ride IF you get a chance at the Bailey Bobble give it all you got, and start the rebuild the following season.

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Agree.  Thats part of the fun of this, you have your championship window and go for it.  Love how Coach set this up and prefer it stays the same.  Sorry Aqua.

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Lol no problem, people!  I am not trying to rig the system here.  There is a very strong chance I will NOT be in the finals, and not have to do a 100% rebuild.

Just wanted to mention an idea, or get a dialogue going for other ideas... Coach seems very open to ideas that benefit the league as a whole. (I thought I had a good one, but I guess I came up with a stinker. :P) 

PS: Sorry I misrepresented your keeper situation, Jer_33.  Honest mistake.  :)

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20 minutes ago, corbettkb said:

Agree.  Thats part of the fun of this, you have your championship window and go for it.  Love how Coach set this up and prefer it stays the same.  Sorry Aqua.

Thanks.  I have relied heavily on all of you and especially KingRaph and Ice who are the ultimate sportsmen IMO.
It has been fun and created buzz.

I love that guys are thinking about draft classes, building a winner, Championship windows, etc...

14 minutes ago, aqualizard said:

Coach seems very open to ideas that benefit the league as a whole.


:big_smile:

For sure, and appreciate this thread.

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