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Weight bug in Gens

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So what does the checking rating do?

Meaning do players with higher checking ratings lay out people easier, or is it the weight of the player that lets them do that.

Also do computer controlled players with high checking stats check more?

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It appears in Gens that Checking Attribute means nothing. A good example is Ray Bourque who has a 99 Ck rating, but is too heavy to check(weight bug).

About the cpu checking, Im not totally sure about that one. It seems the cpu AI is very random and will do different things game to game.

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So what ratings give a player good checking abilities?

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the biggest factor when it comes to checking ability is weight, the lighter the guy is the better he can lay guys out.

agility and speed also have a factor, but weight is the main reason.

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the biggest factor when it comes to checking ability is weight, the lighter the guy is the better he can lay guys out.

agility and speed also have a factor, but weight is the main reason.

Lighter? I always thought it would be the heavier guys like the Joel Ottos of the league. Good to know.

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thats why everyone calls it the 'weight bug' because its the opposite of what it should be.

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i drafted mostly heavy guys in the draft league, and i paid for it. looking forward to the next draft as i will not make that mistake again.

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Do you know if this bug is in all versions of NHL are just in 94?

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It does not apply to SNES NHL 94 anyway. Heavy guys are really hard to check, especially if they're high on aggression and checking ability ;D

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The checking rating increases the likelihood that a player under AI control will dish out a bodycheck. Watch Ray Bourque (99 checking) when playing against him. He will knock you and your teammates around a lot; it's hilarious.

I'm running a little sega nhl94 league with stats recording, and Boston is the highest-hitting team, even though their players are pretty heavy (Bourque, Oates, Neely..) -- I think Bourque is making up the difference when he is controlled by the AI.

I tried to find the code in the ROM that created this bug, in order to fix it, but I couldn't find it. Instead, I made a ROM with the weights reversed. It was pretty fun.. it's a very different game, because the defencemen can actually hit! You have to pass more in order to get scoring chances.

EDIT: I have fixed the weight bug!

Lower Weight = better hitting and better acceleration, so flipping the weights is not a perfect solution to the bug, since heavy guys become quick guys in addition to good hitters.

Edited by smozoma

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These stats are from a league a friend and I are doing. We each play with all the teams. These stats are from 15 or 16 games for each team.

Best Checking Teams:

Team Checks-per-game (5 minute periods)

BOS 42.7

VAN 41.3

CHI 40.4

CGY 40.2

NJ 37.9

NYR 37.7

HFD 37.4

ANH 36.7

PIT 36.6

LA 36.6

SJ 36.1

MTL 35.9

DET 35.8

TB 35.3

BUF 34.9

TOR 34.2

WSH 34.1

PHI 34

NYI 33.5

OTW 33.1

FLA 33.1

DAL 32.9

EDM 32.8

QUE 32.7

WPG 32.7

STL 32.5

Weakest teams:

Team Checks-against-per-game (5 minute periods)

PIT 41.4

WSH 40.9

STL 40.3

ANH 40.1

NYI 38

EDM 37.7

WPG 37.1

NYR 37

NJ 36.5

OTW 36.1

VAN 35.8

CHI 35.6

QUE 35.5

TOR 35.1

FLA 35

HFD 34.8

MTL 34.5

DAL 34.5

SJ 34.4

BOS 34.3

TB 34.3

BUF 34

LA 33.2

PHI 32.9

DET 31.5

CGY 31.4

note: default lineups are not always used. for example, Anderson replaces Andreychuk on the leafs..

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The checking rating increases the likelihood that a player under AI control will dish out a bodycheck. Watch Ray Bourque (99 checking) when playing against him. He will knock you and your teammates around a lot; it's hilarious.

That is kind of what I thought. I also wonder if aggressiveness plays into that as well.

And in determing how often AI defenders are out-of-position because they chase the puck-carrier leaving holes in the defense, I think aggressiveness and maybe def. awr play a part. If an AI defender has high aggressiveness it seems like he is more apt to chase the puck than play his position. I'm not exactly sure on the breakdown for that in terms of how it relates to def. awr. but I'd be interested in finding out.

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Believe this or not, the weight bug adds alot of depth to the gameplay in Gens. It makes so, so rated players good and you have to strategize more of who youre gonna put on the ice when theres no Line Changes.

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Yeah SNES is so good that when you do check someone it sounds like a porno tape.. "uhh" or if you groan out your nose..

Come play Genesis with us boy- you'll go back to the safety of SNES in about 5 minutes.

I can't do online play, but I've played enough Genesis to know that I'll take the worse sound over the worse gameplay. it's all about player, stick and puck control, buddy. you stay there and I'll stay here. good.

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I can't do online play, but I've played enough Genesis to know that I'll take the worse sound over the worse gameplay. it's all about player, stick and puck control, buddy. you stay there and I'll stay here. good.

Alright Optimus, let me get this straight, you can't even play games online? You should be the last guy talking trash on these threads if you can't even participate.

Here's some words to live by "Don't be a tool if you can't be cool".

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They are different experiences. Each had things the other didn't, and the weight bug and other factors make the games a significantly different experience.

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Alright Optimus, let me get this straight, you can't even play games online? You should be the last guy talking trash on these threads if you can't even participate.

Here's some words to live by "Don't be a tool if you can't be cool".

ooh, I suck because I can't play online? yeah. I'm not going to go out and buy a computer just to play a game I have on a real system.... yeah, whatever, fool. I'm not the loser, here. come by and show me how well you play, in person.

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ooh, I suck because I can't play online? yeah. I'm not going to go out and buy a computer just to play a game I have on a real system.... yeah, whatever, fool. I'm not the loser, here. come by and show me how well you play, in person.

Hey Shockwave, it appears that the whole "Don't be a tool if you can't be cool" mission statement didn't seem to stick. So lets propose something different. Before you hit the Add Reply button... ask yourself this question "How is this cool?". Believe me, it's a great rule to live by. If you're struggling with an answer to that question, you should go back to the drawing board and come up with a new reply.

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ooh, I suck because I can't play online? yeah. I'm not going to go out and buy a computer just to play a game I have on a real system.... yeah, whatever, fool. I'm not the loser, here. come by and show me how well you play, in person.

Seriously man, that's enough. I've had it with your stupid comments about how you think the SNES is better than the Genesis. You don't give any good reasons and you don't back them up; you just spew random words aimed to antagonize anyone who prefers the Genesis version, and frankly, it's annoying.

I happen to like the Genesis game more, but do I go whoring around the forums typing derogatory messages at everyone who doesn't agree with me? Hell no. It's just a matter of personal preference, and I'm okay with that. Just because someone happens to like something you don't doesn't give you the right to start criticizing them, especially in a childish, immature manner.

You're not winning anyone over. You're just giving the SNES crowd a bad name with your posts. So in light of that sentence, why don't you just stop posting?

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Well said FlyersHockey.

This topic was only pinned because were having alot of new players that dont know about it. It wasnt put here to 'favour' Gens, just to help out new guys.

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I'm not going to go out and buy a computer just to play a game I have on a real system....

Did you figure out how to post here with your Super Nintendo or something? If so, post tips.

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borrowed Mac.

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Seriously man, that's enough. I've had it with your stupid comments about how you think the SNES is better than the Genesis. You don't give any good reasons and you don't back them up; you just spew random words aimed to antagonize anyone who prefers the Genesis version, and frankly, it's annoying.

I happen to like the Genesis game more, but do I go whoring around the forums typing derogatory messages at everyone who doesn't agree with me? Hell no. It's just a matter of personal preference, and I'm okay with that. Just because someone happens to like something you don't doesn't give you the right to start criticizing them, especially in a childish, immature manner.

You're not winning anyone over. You're just giving the SNES crowd a bad name with your posts. So in light of that sentence, why don't you just stop posting?

I just realized that the post he quoted and responded to MAKES NO MENTION of the SNES/Genesis debate, nor even anything about either system in particular. people read into what I type what they want to see. I am active on a few other message boards and there is no way the immature reading comprehension and high agitation factor of the posters would fly in those forums. overreacting to conversation and playful insults would get you laughed at, but here I'm the one on the edge of banishment. ha!

I think it's because I don't play online, so I'm not in the clique that runs this place. oh, well. I still love the game. second only to (or tied with) Legend Of Zelda.

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I just realized that the post he quoted and responded to MAKES NO MENTION of the SNES/Genesis debate, nor even anything about either system in particular. people read into what I type what they want to see. I am active on a few other message boards and there is no way the immature reading comprehension and high agitation factor of the posters would fly in those forums. overreacting to conversation and playful insults would get you laughed at, but here I'm the one on the edge of banishment. ha!

I think it's because I don't play online, so I'm not in the clique that runs this place. oh, well. I still love the game. second only to (or tied with) Legend Of Zelda.

Trudat, if you presented your thoughts and opinions in a more respectful and thoughtful way you'd be much more well received. There is a difference between playful and disrespectful. Something that you may think and say might sound playful but when it's put in writing and left to an individuals interpretation, it leaves you open for criticism.

Please remember you're 'attacking' a game/system that all of us love. There are plenty of threads available for good willed banting, but your posts here are sometimes anything but good willed.

Just a little heads up bro. Take it however you want, but if you enjoy getting people riled up and annoyed then continue doing what your doing. It probably won't last much longer on this site.

Otherwise, please respect the people who built and maintiain the site, as well as those who appreciate the game and all the hard work the admins have put in. This site is truly a blessing in a way. I mean, the admins who created this site gain nothing monetarily, just pure enjoyment. And people who abuse the site and community really don't fly well.

Peace.

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....respect the people who built and maintiain the site, as well as those who appreciate the game....people who abuse the site and community really don't fly well....

I have mad respect for the site and the game. that's why I'm here so often; I like to discuss the game and this is a great place to do that. I wouldn't call what anybody does here abuse. unless there is hacking going on that we don't see, nobody is abusing anything here. I think that when I say you must have a controller in your rectum, it is critical commentary on your disposition and your approach to interaction with the hated one and such banter should be well within the realm of discourse and humor here. if it isn't, that is sad.

all love.

Rangers versus Vancouver, subbing in Kovalev or Turcotte for Gartner or whoever is off and Lowe for Leetch. go!

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I have mad respect for the site and the game. that's why I'm here so often; I like to discuss the game and this is a great place to do that. I wouldn't call what anybody does here abuse. unless there is hacking going on that we don't see, nobody is abusing anything here. I think that when I say you must have a controller in your rectum, it is critical commentary on your disposition and your approach to interaction with the hated one and such banter should be well within the realm of discourse and humor here. if it isn't, that is sad.

all love.

Rangers versus Vancouver, subbing in Kovalev or Turcotte for Gartner or whoever is off and Lowe for Leetch. go!

man up and list your AIM brother. Gets tiring doing this s**t over a message board.

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man up and list your AIM brother. Gets tiring doing this s**t over a message board.

I don't have an AIM (I have an aim... of beating you in SNES '94 in person on the console -- ho-o, awful pun!), but I have a gmail account and there's a chat feature on that. titlesong [AT] gmail [DOT] com if you want to try that. man up and stop taking this so seriously. I feel like everybody here is too uptight. this is EXACTLY the place I should be able to trash talk (that is a big part of NinetyFlo', so I'm not sure how y'all do it in online games) and discuss anything about '94. I have set up an in-person game with a local dude (or three) in the next few weeks, so if y'all overreactors decide to punish me for being me, leave me access to the PMs here so I don't lose contact with the dude(s). ooh, I can't wait to play somebody new. it's been too long. that's what SHE said.

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I don't have an AIM (I have an aim... of beating you in SNES '94 in person on the console -- ho-o, awful pun!), but I have a gmail account and there's a chat feature on that. titlesong [AT] gmail [DOT] com if you want to try that. man up and stop taking this so seriously. I feel like everybody here is too uptight. this is EXACTLY the place I should be able to trash talk (that is a big part of NinetyFlo', so I'm not sure how y'all do it in online games) and discuss anything about '94. I have set up an in-person game with a local dude (or three) in the next few weeks, so if y'all overreactors decide to punish me for being me, leave me access to the PMs here so I don't lose contact with the dude(s). ooh, I can't wait to play somebody new. it's been too long. that's what SHE said.

obviously you are a sad little kid. Go find your little inner optimus prime you will be a happier person. Seems to me you are just a little kid starving for attention

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RIGHT.

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My brother and i have been playing this game since its inception. just recently i have found this site, which is wonderful, i might add. anyshiz, i was looking at the screenshots in the multimedia section and realized the highest checking in one game was 244. we just had 295 checks and 30 goals in a 10min period game. is that good? what do you all average? the link below should open up the picture i took with my cell piece

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