bradu

I'm working on an Original 6 1950 roster set. I'm pretty much done, but each team used just one or 2 goalies back then for the whole season, and in NHLPA 93 some teams have as many as 4. How do I delete the other goalies? I've got 2 different programs and neither seems able to do it (NOSE and GENEAHE) Any help would be appreciated.

posted this in the 93 forum last night when I discovered it, but it's relevant to this question. I found that with line changes turned OFF, the game does not have the limit of several minutes BETWEEN fights. Still seems to take at least 3-4 minutes for the first fight of the game, but after that I've seen them happen as quickly as next faceoff. Again, this is all using demo mode.

I accidentally used 'roughness' and 'aggressiveness' synonymously above, didn't mean to. I'm pretty sure that aggressiveness has to do with how likely a guy is to take a penalty. Not positive, but that was my understanding. Not sure if it has any effect if penalties are turned off. Roughness, on the other hand, I really don't know about.

I've been doing some fairly extensive testing as I'm trying to create this 1960 rom. All of my tests are done in demo mode. I've run into frustration in the past because in demo mode, I've found that it's nearly impossible for a first period fight (10 minute periods), and if a fight DOES happen, it will be late in the period. The other thing is that, once a fight happens, that 'timer', resets...ie, the next fight won't happen until at least 5 minutes on the game clock has passed. (might be slightly lower, but I do not recall ever seeing two fights in the same 5 minute chunk on demo mode.) Then, by accident, I found something very bizarre...If you turn line changes OFF, these limits do NOT seem to be in effect. Well, it still takes at least 3 and a half minutes for the FIRST fight, but after that, all bets are off, fights can happen at will. I did this test with an 'enforcer's edition' that someone here made (77?) I pitted the two fighting teams against each other, and in 10 minute periods with line changes ON, I had 5 fights in the first game. Then I tried line changes OFF, and the game had 13 fights! After more tests, I've found a second fight happen as soon as FOUR SECONDS later when line changes are off, compared to roughly 5 minutes with line changes on. Keep in mind that using these 2 teams, virtually everyone on all lines has a 100 fight rating (a few 85s). Can anyone explain this? Do the players each have some sort of 'intensity meter' that resets every time they get to the bench? That would make sense however I have seen a fight happen in the first few seconds of a period, as long as there was not a fight towards the end of the previous period. I'm stumped.

anyone know what the 'roughness' rating is? How does it affect gameplay? I'm also curious if anyone knows more about the aggression rating...I know it has to do with how often a player takes penalties, but do you think 2 fighters with the same fight rating, if one of them has a higher aggression is he more likely to be the one to fight?

First, has anyone made any roms for different seasons other than the 1983 and the current ones? In particular, I'm looking for 60's and 70's. I know a guy made all the 70's and 80's seasons for 94, but can't seem to find any for 93. Second, has anyone figured out how to edit the actual mechanics of the game? I've done tons of tests on demo mode (which I've detailed fairly extensively in the 93 forum), and there's a bunch of things kinda screwy about the fighting. Takes at least 5 minutes for the first fight of the game, at least 5 minutes in between fights, like there's some sort of hidden tension meter that starts over after every fight. It'd be nice if this were removed so it wasn't so predictable when a fight would happen. Also it's impossible for a fight to happen without at least one of the fighters being at least a 71 in fighting. It'd be nice to see that changed as well. Still sorta surprised no one has figured out how to add fighting into 94.

I got a wild hair last night, and started creating an 'original 6' 1960 version of NHLPA 93. I've been studying the 50's and 60's of late for a fantasy hockey replay league that I'm in, and I suddenly remembered I had this old NHLPA 93 rom that I haven't used in years. Thought it would be fun to do this, and if people are interested and I have fun with it, I might do a version every 5 NHL years or so (ie, 60, 65, 70, 75). Is this something anyone is interested in? PS speaking of fantasy hockey I've got 3 different leagues, 2 of which have openings. If you are interested in fantasy replay hockey (think demo mode or 'simulate' all games with an EA sports game, but you manage a team, make trades, lines, draft, etc). It's totally free. If interested in either a 7374 or current league, please contact me at apbaahl[at]hotmail.com

It's ok, we can agree to disagree, I have no problem with that. I agree that Brashear has, at times, been an insult to fighters. I'm not a fan of the guy by any means. But I also don't let that get in the way of assessing him...the guy dominated for years and is still doing it today. He does hug too much, but when he does let loose, he is good. And his hugging, while boring, keeps him from getting hit. What you're forgetting about Boogaard is that he did all of that in ONE season! Brennan, Vandermeer, Fedoruk...not all time greats, but tough guys. Who did Kocur KO? Jim Kyte was damn good, but most of the other guys he really crushed weren't top competition either. Laraque doesn't put fear into people the way that a Probert, Kocur, or Twist did. BUT, he would still beat those guys more often than not in a head to head fight. I agree with you that I liked the past guys better, that they fought with more ferocity and instinct, that they were more exciting. But I think if today's best fighters went head to head against the fighters from the past, the new guys would win. Anyway, it's been a fun little debate...if you enjoy this stuff, I'd really love to get your input on fighters from every era for the hockey fight simulator!-Bradu

I agree that Twist hadn't hit his prime yet. I just didn't really care to be honest, I always liked Twist so I guess I cheated for him I actually disagree with your assessment of today's fighters vs the 80's/90's guys. I understand what you're saying, nobody today DOMINATES the way Probie did, or fights with the same fire as those guys. But I bet you if Brashear, Laraque, Boogaard went head to head with those guys they'd dominate them. Today's fighters are a lot bigger, stronger, and a lot more technically refined. Guys like Brashear and Laraque are masters at tying up their opponents and making sure they don't get hit clean. Boogaard isn't that great, but he's just downright scary with how big he is and how hard he hits. If you look at his record from last year and this year, he knocks guys down in like 1/3 of his fights. It's pretty crazy. So while I agree that today's heavyweights aren't as exciting as those of yesteryear, I really think they'd dominate them head to head.

I'd give Chara a 71. 85 and he starts fighting way too much. I'm sure I missed some other guys, I was going by a list of fighting majors so anyone who hasn't fought yet this year (I bet Chara hasn't) I would have overlooked...

man, there really needs to be 1 more rating in there. I know I can go down to 57, 42, 28, 14 but once you get below 71 the guys simply won't fight. Every fight I've EVER had or seen in NHLPA at least one of the guys is a 71, so for all intents and purpuses, anything below 71 is irrelevant. Some of the guys are borderline. Here's a few I almost gave an 85: McCarty, May, Downey, Roy, Barnaby, Perrott, J.Gratton. And a couple others I listed as 71 but they fight so seldom that even if they're decent fighters, I'm not sure they deserved a 71. Guys like Lindros, Sutton, White, Devries, etc.

ok here goes: Ana: Parros 85 Obrien, Thornton, O'Donnell, Moen 71 Atl: Boulton 85 Devries, Exelby, Coburn, Hnidy, Mellanby, Sutton 71 Bos: Brookbank 85 Alberts 71 Buf: Peters 85 Mair, Gaustad 71 Cal: Godard 85 McCarty, Prust, B.Ference, Ro.Regehr, Phaneuf 71 Car: C.Adams, Commodore 71 Chi: Low, Vandermeer 85 Lapointe, Wisneiwski, Richmond 71 Colorado: Laperriere, McCormick, Love, May 71 Columbus: Shelley 85 Tollefson, Verot, Goertzen 71 Dal: Barnaby, Ott, Morrow, Lindros 71 Det: Norton, Bootland 71 Edm: Winchester, Greene, Torres, J.Smith 71 Fla: Montador, Gratton, Roberts, Allen 71 Lak: Ivanans 85 Cowan, Avery, Kostopoulos 71 Min: Boogaard 100 Mon: Downey, Murray, Souray 71 Nas: Hordichuk 85 Tootoo, Weber, Nichol, Hartnell, Yonkman, Henry 71 Njd: Janssen 85 Rupp, Lacouture, White, Perrott, Marshall 71 Nyi: Simon 85 Asham, Witt 71 Nyr: Orr 85 Hollweg 71 Ott: McGratton, Neil 85 Bois 71 Phi: Fedoruk 85 Eager, Richards, Hatcher, Grant, Kane 71 Pho: Laraque 100 Gratton, Nolan, Morris, Boynton, Scatchard 71 Pit: Cairns 85 Thorburn, Carkner 71 San: Parker 85 Clowe, Bell, Davison, M.Smith 71 Stl: Walker 85 Mayers, Jackman, King, Tkachuk, Guerin, Hinote 71 Tam: Tarnasky, Craig, Pratt, Roy 71 Tor: Belak 85 Tucker, Ondrus, B.Brown 71 Van: McIver, Bieksa, Rypien, Bouck, Cooke 71 Was: Brashear 100 Erskine 85 Clark, Bradley, Sutherby 71

alrighty, here you go: http://www.geocities.com/bradutterstrom/1stline.bin I switched Brown and McSorely to 100's per request. Each team has their best fighter on the first line. But of course you can use NOSE or GENEAHE to fix the lines (and ratings) the way you want them. Also, you fight fans might appreciate this...it's a hockey fight simulator (text based game): http://www.hockey-fights.com/files/fightsim.exe

I'll upload my rom later tonight. I didn't make McSorely and Brown 100's, but I don't disagree with you on either of those calls, both guys were borderline. I did give 100's to Probert, Domi, Kocur, Twist, Crowder. I can't tell you exactly who was created extra, but I'll throw out a few names: John Kordic, Kruse, Simard, Kyte, Crowder, Vial, DeBrusk, Leroux, Ciccone, Janssens, Roberge, McLelland, Antoski, Poeschek. There might have been a few more. Also Dan Kordic, Jim McKenzie, and others got the higher fight ratings that they deserved. Byatch, I can tell you who I think from today should be 100, 85, and 71. Below that, it really doesn't matter as they pretty much won't fight.

I did a season of demo games in fast forward on NHLPA 93 and thought some of you might enjoy seeing a few results. I have periods set to 8.5 minutes. Each team played 11 games, 1 against each team in their conference. I put each team's top fighter on the 1st line, and lots of the fighters on 2nd line to try to increase the fighting. There were only a couple games the entire season without a fight, and a couple with 3 fights (but only if it went to OT.) About 90% of games had exactly one fight. I'll just list some of the highlights: goals-assists-points, (fight record in parenthises) BOS Oates 10-3-13 Neely 6-2-8, (1-7) Byers (2-3) BUF Lafontaine 8-5-13 Mogilny 10-3-13 Ray (5-5 1 ko) May (2-1) Donnelly (2-1) CAL Fleury 15-6-21 Roberts 7-8-15 (2-2, 1KO) Berube 6-5-11 (5-4, 3KO) Suter 1-7-8 (great stats for a dman) CHI Larmer 12-3-15 Roenick 8-4-12 Grimson (7-4) S.Smith (2-1) DET Yzerman 8-4-12 Fedorov 8-2-10 Probert (11-2, 4KO) EDM Damphousse 12-2-14 Nicholls 6-7-13 J.Murphy 7-3-10 Debrusk (5-1-1, 1ko) Manson (1-3) HAR Cullen 4-6-10 McKenzie (4-4-1, 1ko) NYI Turgeon 11-5-16 Thomas 11-5-16 Vukota (2-2, 1ko) LAK Robitaille 11-3-14 J.Miller (9-1, 2ko) McSorely (3-4, 1ko) MIN Modano 7-3-10 Churla (5-0, 1ko) Tinordi (0-5) MON Savard 4-6-10 Nilan 7-3-10 (7-4) Corson 9-0-9 (2-2) Odelein (0-3) NJD Stastny 9-8-17 Richer 13-4-17 McKay 8-2-10 (4-3) Kasatonov 1-7-8 S.Stevens 2-3-5 (5-2) NYR Messier 7-5-12 Graves 10-2-12 Domi (11-1, 2ko) OTT Peluso 7-1-8 (3-3) PHI Brindamour 7-5-12 Recchi 11-1-12 Da.Brown (2-4) PIT K.Stevens 10-5-15 Mario 9-5-14 Jagr 8-5-13 Ulfie (1-6, 1ko) QUE Nolan 12-1-13 (2-2) Sakic 5-6-11 Sundin 7-4-11 Twist (7-1-1) SAN Falloon 10-4-14 Gaetz (2-6-1) Odgers (2-2) STL Hull 10-8-18 Janney 7-7-14 Shanahan 6-7-13 (0-3) Bassen 7-4-11 (from 2nd line!) Quintal (2-0) TAM Semenov 8-5-13 McRae (4-2) T.Hunter (3-2) TOR Clark 8-3-11 (1-2) Gilmour 5-5-10 Baumgartner (5-4) VAN Bure 14-3-17 Linden 6-7-13 Odjick (2-2) Lumme 3-5-8 Diduck (0-6) WAS Ciccarelli 11-2-13 D.Hunter 3-8-11 A.May 5-3-8 (9-3) WIN Steen 8-4-12 Elyniuk 3-7-10 Poeschek (4-1) Cronin (4-3)