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I've been playing endless GEN '94 series with my buddy, always East vs. West. I'd like to know if people lean one way or the other on who's the better team.

Looking at 'best player' threads, Roenick, Yzerman, Bure and Lemieux are usually up there, and since West can put J-Ro, Pavel and Stevie Wonder out on a single line, I figured that's the greatest combo ever. But, as with everything, there's probably more to it than that so I wanted to check with everyone.

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Definitely the West.

I go with Selanne and Bure on the wings, Roenick at centre, Housley and I think Chelios on defense.

With the weight bug, the Eastern Conference team simply can't compete; they aren't as fast, and they are too heavy, so too easy to knock over.

With the weight bug fix, I'm not sure. I tend to believe speed wins games, so probably still the West.

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No question it's the West.

Forwards: Roenick, Bure, Yzerman, Fluery, Selanne >>>>> Mogilny, LaFontaine, Gartner, Recchi

Defense: Housley, Chelios > Borque, Leetch

Goalie: Belfour = Roy

Notable missing members: Ciccarelli on the West, Don Sweeney on the East!

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No question it's the West.

Forwards: Roenick, Bure, Yzerman, Fluery, Selanne >>>>> Mogilny, LaFontaine, Gartner, Recchi

Defense: Housley, Chelios > Borque, Leetch

Goalie: Belfour = Roy

Notable missing members: Ciccarelli on the West, Don Sweeney on the East!

Agreed, except that Roy is better than Belfour. Not by a lot (I think the large difference in those stats is due to the particular coaches drafting them), but still better. Probably due to the better glove hands and the tendency for players to shoot high.

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I play with the East. I think Roy does have an edge, he seems to stop some of the one-timers that go in on Eddie. You're right about the weight-bug, West can pinball their way to the net, the only way to stop them is crafty manual goalie, whereas the only way East scores is good passing and avoiding checks.

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No question it's the West.

Forwards: Roenick, Bure, Yzerman, Fluery, Selanne >>>>> Mogilny, LaFontaine, Gartner, Recchi

Defense: Housley, Chelios > Borque, Leetch

Goalie: Belfour = Roy

Notable missing members: Ciccarelli on the West, Don Sweeney on the East!

Interesting that you play A-Mo, LaF and Gart.

I play Oates, Lemieux and A-Mo

The Defence I switch up almost everygame, often during mid game.

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This got me thinking, because it's pretty clear it's the West, but at the same time the games between the two always seem to be close, I guess because regardless of who has the most stars, or the weight bug etc, the quality in both teams is so high.

So, position for position I was interested enough to put each team against each other to see who people would think would be better.

I only suggest here the main contenders that we all know based on their overall ability, and their weight, which of course is so vitally important in GENS. I left a couple of heavy guys in as suggestions (You already know who they are) simply because their ability is that good they have to be considered.

Feel free to comment or suggest other guys you really think are contenders:

WEST           OVERALL        WEIGHT       POSITION         EAST            OVERALL        WEIGHT         WINNER
Chelios          85            196            LD            Leetch            72              188           CHELIOS?
Suter            81            196            RD            Bourque           99              220           SUTER BASED ON WEIGHT? BOTH GREAT SLAPPERS
Housley          83            188            RD            Wesley            69              204           HOUSLEY ALL DAY?

Yzerman          92            188            LW            Gartner           83              196           DO I NEED TO SAY?
Fluery           86            164            LW            LaFontaine        92              180           FLUERY?

Roenick          88            172            C             Mogilny           96              196           LOVE MOGILNY, BUT IT HAS TO BE JR?
Selanne          89            188            C             Lemieux           98              220           LEMIEUX JUST DOESN'T CUT IT WITH THE WEIGHT BUG?!

Bure             88            180            RW            Sakic             83              188           BURE ALL THE WAY!
Robitaille       84            196            RW            Bondra            81              188           ROBITAILLE TAKES IT FOR ME FOR THE SUPERIOR SKILLS?       

So IMO the EAST doesn't win a single position, except Roy over Belfour in goal, which I haven't included here, but i'd still fancy my chances against anyone with a Bourque, Leetch, Gartner, Mogilny, Sakic line!

................Discuss

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Interesting that you play A-Mo, LaF and Gart.

I play Oates, Lemieux and A-Mo

The Defence I switch up almost everygame, often during mid game.

I haven't actually played with ASE/ASW for a loooong time, so I don't know what lines I would actually use. I just noted the player ranks (see NHL'94 Rankings) and saw that West better than East.

However, I can safely say I would never use Lemieux due to weight bug. He is 10 weight and falls like a feather to any check. I would avoid at all costs. Just terrible.

I'd choose Gartner over Oates, same 7 weight, but Gartner has more speed (5 vs 4) and shot power/accuracy is 5/3 vs 3/4. That's mainly why, though, there may be a combo that I prefer more.

Agreed, except that Roy is better than Belfour. Not by a lot (I think the large difference in those stats is due to the particular coaches drafting them), but still better. Probably due to the better glove hands and the tendency for players to shoot high.

And Wendell Young is too! :lol: I just thought there wasn't a major advantage of Belfour over Roy, both so tough. Now I wonder what the GAA in classic results looks like for each team? I wonder if MTL and CHI are on top? Though GAA also factors in Defense, so it's not as accurate as the save percentage stats you have in Blitz. (so awesome to have all those stats, btw)

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This got me thinking, because it's pretty clear it's the West, but at the same time the games between the two always seem to be close, I guess because regardless of who has the most stars, or the weight bug etc, the quality in both teams is so high.

So, position for position I was interested enough to put each team against each other to see who people would think would be better.

I only suggest here the main contenders that we all know based on their overall ability, and their weight, which of course is so vitally important in GENS. I left a couple of heavy guys in as suggestions (You already know who they are) simply because their ability is that good they have to be considered.

Feel free to comment or suggest other guys you really think are contenders:

WEST           OVERALL        WEIGHT       POSITION         EAST            OVERALL        WEIGHT         WINNER
Chelios          85            196            LD            Leetch            72              188           CHELIOS?
Suter            81            196            RD            Bourque           99              220           SUTER BASED ON WEIGHT? BOTH GREAT SLAPPERS
Housley          83            188            RD            Wesley            69              204           HOUSLEY ALL DAY?

Yzerman          92            188            LW            Gartner           83              196           DO I NEED TO SAY?
Fluery           86            164            LW            LaFontaine        92              180           FLUERY?

Roenick          88            172            C             Mogilny           96              196           LOVE MOGILNY, BUT IT HAS TO BE JR?
Selanne          89            188            C             Lemieux           98              220           LEMIEUX JUST DOESN'T CUT IT WITH THE WEIGHT BUG?!

Bure             88            180            RW            Sakic             83              188           BURE ALL THE WAY!
Robitaille       84            196            RW            Bondra            81              188           ROBITAILLE TAKES IT FOR ME FOR THE SUPERIOR SKILLS?       

So IMO the EAST doesn't win a single position, except Roy over Belfour in goal, which I haven't included here, but i'd still fancy my chances against anyone with a Bourque, Leetch, Gartner, Mogilny, Sakic line!

................Discuss

NO LEMIEUX! I'd throw Recchi in there. I can see taking Bondra over Robitaille, but otherwise the West takes it.

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Now I wonder what the GAA in classic results looks like for each team? I wonder if MTL and CHI are on top? Though GAA also factors in Defense, so it's not as accurate as the save percentage stats you have in Blitz.

THE STATS DON'T LIE! :D Check out the top two teams in regards to GAA from the Classic results:

TEAM	GP	GF	GA	GFA	GAA
CHI	491 	2,355 	1,571 	4.796 	3.200 
MTL	392 	1,556 	1,266 	3.969 	3.230 
BOS	333 	1,253 	1,124 	3.763 	3.375 
BUF	486 	1,944 	1,665 	4.000 	3.426 
NYI	40 	216 	140 	5.400 	3.500 
NJ	68 	219 	250 	3.221 	3.676 
DET	503 	2,204 	1,852 	4.382 	3.682 
EDM	107 	395 	400 	3.692 	3.738 
VAN	474 	2,031 	1,819 	4.285 	3.838 
TOR	304 	1,106 	1,185 	3.638 	3.898 
DAL	412 	1,644 	1,627 	3.990 	3.949 
TB	98 	398 	390 	4.061 	3.980 
LA	394 	1,667 	1,594 	4.231 	4.046 
WSH	36 	139 	146 	3.861 	4.056 
CAL	472 	1,956 	1,915 	4.144 	4.057 
NYR	316 	1,174 	1,285 	3.715 	4.066 
PIT	312 	923 	1,324 	2.958 	4.244 
WPG	379 	1,422 	1,628 	3.752 	4.296 
QUE	463 	1,672 	2,018 	3.611 	4.359 
PHI	253 	765 	1,118 	3.024 	4.419 
SJ	145 	529 	649 	3.648 	4.476 
STL	171 	452 	767 	2.643 	4.485 
HFD	131 	490 	644 	3.740 	4.916 
OTT	32 	136 	158 	4.250 	4.938 
ANA	38 	114 	225 	3.000 	5.921 

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The things that win it for me as the East; Lemieux one-timers and slappers go in 95% of the time. Oates gets some of the weirdest goals to go in. A-mo does it on break aways. Roy seems to come up with saves that Belfour doesn't. You can't ever expect to stay up if you're hit, so you're always passing with East. You have to hold and hook a lot on defense. I feel like East doesn't f**k up as many one-timers or miss passes.

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THE STATS DON'T LIE! :D Check out the top two teams in regards to GAA from the Classic results:

TEAM	GP	GF	GA	GFA	GAA
CHI	491 	2,355 	1,571 	4.796 	3.200 
MTL	392 	1,556 	1,266 	3.969 	3.230 
BOS	333 	1,253 	1,124 	3.763 	3.375 
BUF	486 	1,944 	1,665 	4.000 	3.426 
NYI	40 	216 	140 	5.400 	3.500 
NJ	68 	219 	250 	3.221 	3.676 
DET	503 	2,204 	1,852 	4.382 	3.682 
EDM	107 	395 	400 	3.692 	3.738 
VAN	474 	2,031 	1,819 	4.285 	3.838 
TOR	304 	1,106 	1,185 	3.638 	3.898 
DAL	412 	1,644 	1,627 	3.990 	3.949 
TB	98 	398 	390 	4.061 	3.980 
LA	394 	1,667 	1,594 	4.231 	4.046 
WSH	36 	139 	146 	3.861 	4.056 
CAL	472 	1,956 	1,915 	4.144 	4.057 
NYR	316 	1,174 	1,285 	3.715 	4.066 
PIT	312 	923 	1,324 	2.958 	4.244 
WPG	379 	1,422 	1,628 	3.752 	4.296 
QUE	463 	1,672 	2,018 	3.611 	4.359 
PHI	253 	765 	1,118 	3.024 	4.419 
SJ	145 	529 	649 	3.648 	4.476 
STL	171 	452 	767 	2.643 	4.485 
HFD	131 	490 	644 	3.740 	4.916 
OTT	32 	136 	158 	4.250 	4.938 
ANA	38 	114 	225 	3.000 	5.921 

According to this the Isles lead are the best scoring team! Low sample size, but still funny.

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THE STATS DON'T LIE! :D Check out the top two teams in regards to GAA from the Classic results:

TEAM	GP	GF	GA	GFA	GAA
CHI	491 	2,355 	1,571 	4.796 	3.200 
MTL	392 	1,556 	1,266 	3.969 	3.230 
BOS	333 	1,253 	1,124 	3.763 	3.375 
BUF	486 	1,944 	1,665 	4.000 	3.426 
NYI	40 	216 	140 	5.400 	3.500 
NJ	68 	219 	250 	3.221 	3.676 
DET	503 	2,204 	1,852 	4.382 	3.682 
EDM	107 	395 	400 	3.692 	3.738 
VAN	474 	2,031 	1,819 	4.285 	3.838 
TOR	304 	1,106 	1,185 	3.638 	3.898 
DAL	412 	1,644 	1,627 	3.990 	3.949 
TB	98 	398 	390 	4.061 	3.980 
LA	394 	1,667 	1,594 	4.231 	4.046 
WSH	36 	139 	146 	3.861 	4.056 
CAL	472 	1,956 	1,915 	4.144 	4.057 
NYR	316 	1,174 	1,285 	3.715 	4.066 
PIT	312 	923 	1,324 	2.958 	4.244 
WPG	379 	1,422 	1,628 	3.752 	4.296 
QUE	463 	1,672 	2,018 	3.611 	4.359 
PHI	253 	765 	1,118 	3.024 	4.419 
SJ	145 	529 	649 	3.648 	4.476 
STL	171 	452 	767 	2.643 	4.485 
HFD	131 	490 	644 	3.740 	4.916 
OTT	32 	136 	158 	4.250 	4.938 
ANA	38 	114 	225 	3.000 	5.921 

Bud...did you compile all fo these stats yourself? awesome... are these gens only stats?

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Bud...did you compile all fo these stats yourself? awesome... are these gens only stats?

I copy/pasted the from the nhl94online site from all the classic seasons that were available (Spring'08 to Spring'11). GENS only -- I originally did this for the NHL'94 Rankings thread, so I had the stats handy now.

According to this the Isles lead are the best scoring team! Low sample size, but still funny.

:lol: That was IceStorm's 29-11 season (Fall'10), remarkable with NYI.

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So general consensus is that West is the better team, and that given these two line-ups, West should usually win:

W: Coffee, Housley, Roenick, Yzerman, Bure

E: Bourque, Zalapski, Oates, Lemieux, Mogilny

With Borque and Zalapski back there, and Lemieux in the lineup, I would say that West would ALWAYS win. :lol:

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Well, now we're getting into individual player skill. A strong player can use Florida and beat the ASE against a weaker player! That all depends on who is using the teams.

No, no...assuming equal players. Not unfeasible that Chi or Mtl can beat East.

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It seems as though the East has the short end of the stick, at least where the weight bug is concerned. However, I feel that with the true game and the SNES version, it feels like a totally different animal here.

Sure, some of the heavy guys feel somewhat unwieldy, but this is not always the case depending on which players you actually choose to use. Messier and Lemieux, for one, aren't total slowpokes and have a strong all-around skillset that makes them formidable players. Of course, Messier isn't a total crackshot, but that is definitely workable if you get guys such as Modano and Gartner scoring constantly despite not having stellar accuracy. If you need a better stay-at-home defenseman who can still be quite a bruiser to go along with Ray Bourque, you can't go wrong with Ulf Samuelsson or you can also get Scott Stevens into the mix.

For wingers, you need either guys with great skill (Dale Hawerchuk, Adam Oates), snipers (Dimitri Khirstich, Geoff Sanderson) or bruisers who can do a bit of everything when given the chance (Cam Neely, Esa Tikkanen). In goalie, you can't go wrong with either Roy or Grant Fuhr.

Really, I think it all depends on the number of combinations you'd like to use when it comes to such a showdown and knowing what to do with them. The East may seem to have the short end of the stick, but writing them off just because you're too fancy with a bunch of speedsters that can go squish at the right moment isn't exactly something you'd like to do. It all comes down with experience.

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