TomKabs93 Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 If anyone's interested in Turgeon or Borshevsky aim me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWingDevil Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 New York Rangers receive: - Patrick Roy - Geoff Courtnall Nashville Predators get: - Grant Fuhr - Sergei Federov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 New York Rangers receive: - Patrick Roy - Geoff Courtnall Nashville Predators get: - Grant Fuhr - Sergei Federov Confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da94wookiee Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Confirmed I object to this trade. Roy is a lot better than Fuhr. The difference between Courtnall and Fedorov isn't that great. They're both very good, but not elite players. Courtnall is actually faster than Fedorov. Sorry to be a party pooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carse Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 I object to this trade. Roy is a lot better than Fuhr. The difference between Courtnall and Fedorov isn't that great. They're both very good, but not elite players. Courtnall is actually faster than Fedorov. Sorry to be a party pooper. Kind of gotta agree w this one.. roy is top 5 player being traded for very minor upgrade IE courtnall into fedorov? court wud have to be 3rd-4th F to make this even.. this makes raph have 3 guys from the top 28 picks! His starting 6 draft spots would be 1.7 1.17 2.4 2.20 6.4 6.7 lawl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayLighter420 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 i wanna do some more trades. my updated roster is davydov, ronning, anderson, turcotte, kurri, coffey brisebois tinordi musil and bob carpenter maybe ronning for a center, or davydov for a righty or a lefty for a lefty fwd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halifax Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 GDL NAFTA. Trade approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWingDevil Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 To be fair, Hokkee pretty much made a lot more crazier trades than this one, but I'll defer to the council's judgement if they want to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo Knows NHL94 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Kind of gotta agree w this one.. roy is top 5 player being traded for very minor upgrade IE courtnall into fedorov? court wud have to be 3rd-4th F to make this even.. this makes raph have 3 guys from the top 28 picks! His starting 6 draft spots would be 1.7 1.17 2.4 2.20 6.4 6.7 lawl oh come on, Roy hasn't been a top 5 player 3 out of the last 4 years... the only exception being when Hokkee took him in Season 7. Seriously if people want to trade let them trade... unless it's just a horribly awful trade, I think NAFTA should apply. Getting an offensive upgrade (which I think everyone would agree Fedorov is compared to Courtnall) in exchange for the 3rd best goalie to the 1st or 2nd best goalie isn't a deal that anybody should interfere with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDonch44 Posted September 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 NYR (kingraph) trade Cliff Ronning, Evgeny Davydov and Patrice Brisebois to NJ (JayLighter420) for Sergei Fedorov, Mats Sundin, and Jeff Brown Confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDonch44 Posted September 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 hokkee trades bassen and s smith to kgman for nylander and scott stevens Approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDonch44 Posted September 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 New York Rangers receive: - Patrick Roy - Geoff Courtnall Nashville Predators get: - Grant Fuhr - Sergei Federov Approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDonch44 Posted September 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Trade Deadline - 24 hours from now. Wednesday night / Thursday morning at 12:00 midnight EST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStorm70 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 New York Rangers receive: - Patrick Roy - Geoff Courtnall Nashville Predators get: - Grant Fuhr - Sergei Federov Based on average draft position (thanks donche) this trade is dead even. Feds n fuhr 25/27. Roy n courts 5 n 47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carse Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 ADP would mean trading roenick and last pick of 6th rd for a 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder is a fair trade. shitty metric to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStorm70 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Works in this case cant argue that. No perfect way of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da94wookiee Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Kind of gotta agree w this one.. roy is top 5 player being traded for very minor upgrade IE courtnall into fedorov? court wud have to be 3rd-4th F to make this even.. this makes raph have 3 guys from the top 28 picks! His starting 6 draft spots would be 1.7 1.17 2.4 2.20 6.4 6.7 lawl ADP would mean trading roenick and last pick of 6th rd for a 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder is a fair trade. shitty metric to use I agree with Carse here. One team shouldn't have 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and 2 early 6th round picks in its starting lineup. These trades aren't fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStorm70 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Which trade wasn't fair and how weren't they fair exactly? Just because guys were picked in a specific round doesn't make them right by value. Example: hogue 3.7 he's been a 2 nd rounder numminen in3rd way too early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Based on average draft position (thanks donche) this trade is dead even. Feds n fuhr 25/27. Roy n courts 5 n 47. You can't do it this way. The earlier a pick is, the more it is worth, disproportionately. I came up with a formula like this: 1000/(10+draftposition) = rough value of player so 5 and 47: 1000/(10+5) + 1000/(10+47) = 66.7 + 17.5 = 84.2 25 and 27 1000/(10+25) + 1000/(10+27) = 28.6 + 27.0 = 55.6 So the Roy side wins by about 50% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carse Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 BOOM Smoz-a-nomics nails it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStorm70 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Really so ur saying Roy and courtnall is 50% better then fuhr and fedorov? Having a very hard time believing that. Again even a formula has is flaws And again, this isn;t a straight up pick for pick trade. it's after the fact, it's player for player so using positions is only part of analyzing a trade. also, factoring in is a persons preference that obviously varies. somone may want a top 5 star and an average guy, others may want two above average guys. so many variables that unless it's like a recchi for davydov type trade, it's all opinion/preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStorm70 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 also, as smo and i just talked, the amount a player takes GC greatly decreases any advantages goalies have over other goalies. In B league, sure Roy is much better then fuhr, but in A where people take GC most of the time, having a top goalie isnt as great an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStorm70 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 HAHAHA BOOM Smoz-a-nomics nails it Smoz-a-nomics also had your kovalenko for Lafontaine as a crap trade, so shut your pie hole and quit jumping on something cuz it agreed with you for the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Really so ur saying Roy and courtnall is 50% better then fuhr and fedorov? Having a very hard time believing that. Again even a formula has is flaws I wrote " rough value of player", and i don't know how close this year's pick positions match the history. If you take the top 6 draft spots of teams, they are worth around 100 total (more if you have an early pick, because they are worth a lot with the particular values i used above that work well for blitz, 1000 and 10), so the Roy side improves his team by about 30%. The formula gets a bit extreme near the start of the draft, so you could try changing the 10 to 15 or something like that to get a reduction in Roy's relative value, but the point about averaging picks like that stands, due to the bell curve values of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carse Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 HAHAHA Smoz-a-nomics also had your kovalenko for Lafontaine as a crap trade, so shut your pie hole and quit jumping on something cuz it agreed with you for the moment Yeah trading 1 player for 1 player definitely requires a formula that is based on draft position. Smoz's whole point of posting that was to give a better metric for where they were drafting than your "AVERAGE DRAFT POSITION" claim. either way that trade is only 37.0 to 22.7.. still way better than iceguys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 37/22.7 is a 63% win for lafontaine, actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carse Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 lol and I wanted to keep kovey!!! guess 1-1 trades arent too helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStorm70 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 they arent even comparable players.. one is top flight weight bugger to knock everyone over the other is a set-up guy. How can your "committee" deem which guy is a better fit on which team? I could understand if it was like courtnall for lafontaine then that wouldn't make sense and should be vetoed bc they are so similar, but these guys are nothing alike. yes yes, you wanted to keep kovy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carse Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 yes yes, you wanted to keep kovy Maybe we should limit this to people who have >3% chance of winning the league if they are giving no data and just opinions.. afterall no one wants to hear from someone who isn't an expert. Or maybe just anyone who has won a league in this decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStorm70 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Maybe we should limit this to people who have >3% chance of winning the league if they are giving no data and just opinions.. afterall no one wants to hear from someone who isn't an expert. Or maybe just anyone who has won a league in this decade there's always that to fall back on when you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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