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what are we, 12?

If you've ever played on any kind of team or worked/hung around a group of men, you'd notice their speech isn't exactly

g-rated.

Please don't tell me you're going to go protest Tropic Thunder this weekend laugh.gif

I have worked in many teams, i swear at times too, just not on the forum. I would like to think that it really doesnt have the same effect as in person, it just makes you sound like ur uneducated and dont have enough words in your vocabulary so you fill it with FU*K, SH*T etc. I can see that you respond very well to it tho Jrod, so i could be wrong...

You never know who can be reading, its a video game forum, not a porn/adult site, kids could be reading...jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

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I have worked in many teams, i swear at times too, just not on the forum. I would like to think that it really doesnt have the same effect as in person, it just makes you sound like ur uneducated and dont have enough words in your vocabulary so you fill it with FU*K, SH*T etc. I can see that you respond very well to it tho Jrod, so i could be wrong...

You never know who can be reading, its a video game forum, not a porn/adult site, kids could be reading...jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

I'm curious as to when the focus of your argumentation switched to profanity?

I haven't seen anyone blatantly endorse the use of profanity, so I don't think it is very fair for you to claim we think it's cool. You are right, it isn't very mature to swear in posts, but maturity doesn't begin and end with the use of swear words. The manner in which you reply to another poster also shows maturity, and it is very clear to me that if you want to start cleaning up this message board, you shouldn't start with profanity, but you should start with childish provoking of others.

I really don't care though, and I don't think many others do. Back to the main point....

GDL 5 --> When are we expecting it, and what improvements are we asking for?

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REALLY sebe THE MOST unreliable player at any time of the year .....bum........always delays s**t ...but ur not the the prob everybody is ....like how hard is it to take 1 hour out of the summer 60 DAYS!!!!....i could go on and on about you and so could 20 other lg members who hate your ass but anyways it was an drunk late night usual post but do i really cause that many problems with a few swear words !!!I didnt play for one and a half months and i am anxious to play some hockey !!!i just post my opinion at the time to raise attention to the fact theres no action and i leave it up to other guys to post in a more moderate way ..(like matt and others )NOT YOU SEBE !!!and if u lived up north as a logger u know we dont speak with our tongue up our ass like you !!!!!and if i offend alot of you post er up and let me know

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I'm curious as to when the focus of your argumentation switched to profanity?...I haven't seen anyone blatantly endorse the use of profanity

Im curious as to how you cant see when it switched to profanity, just read the posts, particularly Jrods post "what are we 12..." its a valid point and hes entitled to his opinion. My assumption that i believe that everyone is "cool" with the swearing is based on the responses to my comments. Read the replies, i'm sure you can ascertain what i mean. As usual this topic is getting out of control, and we could go back and forth for months. The long and short of it is, Hokkee can talk SH*T about whoever he wants and most dudes, just put up with it and let it slide, with the excuse "that's just Hokkee and one of his normal, everyday rants. Just read his latest post, or his history of posts. Most are attacks, or complaints filled with profanity, and insults.

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REALLY sebe THE MOST unreliable player at any time of the year .....bum........always delays s**t ...but ur not the the prob everybody is ....like how hard is it to take 1 hour out of the summer 60 DAYS!!!!....i could go on and on about you and so could 20 other lg members who hate your ass but anyways it was an drunk late night usual post but do i really cause that many problems with a few swear words !!!I didnt play for one and a half months and i am anxious to play some hockey !!!i just post my opinion at the time to raise attention to the fact theres no action and i leave it up to other guys to post in a more moderate way ..(like matt and others )NOT YOU SEBE !!!and if u lived up north as a logger u know we dont speak with our tongue up our ass like you !!!!!and if i offend alot of you post er up and let me know

Thank you for creating the perfect example, well put Hokkee. I'm the most unreliable player anytime of the year..lol Based on what? the fact that i played all but 2 or 3 games in GDL? You can go on and on about me...im interested please do, id love to hear what beef you have with me, what have i done? I just play my games. Ya its takin long for the series to get done, but im not the only one. 20 members hate my ass? Why cause i speak my mind?...then theres 200 dudes that hate your ass. I've worked in jobs, way tougher than loggin dude, im not sayin i dont swear, just not on here.

Tounge up my ass??? More like you talk out of your ass...

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Im curious as to how you cant see when it switched to profanity, just read the posts, particularly Jrods post "what are we 12..." its a valid point and hes entitled to his opinion. My assumption that i believe that everyone is "cool" with the swearing is based on the responses to my comments. Read the replies, i'm sure you can ascertain what i mean. As usual this topic is getting out of control, and we could go back and forth for months. The long and short of it is, Hokkee can talk SH*T about whoever he wants and most dudes, just put up with it and let it slide, with the excuse "that's just Hokkee and one of his normal, everyday rants. Just read his latest post, or his history of posts. Most are attacks, or complaints filled with profanity, and insults.

I'm very capable of ascertaining your meaning, but when you generalize your comments to include everyone who is replying to your posts... that includes me, and I don't appreciate the way you vilify me as a person who condones immature posting. I certainly don't disagree with your views... but I don't like the way you go about stating them.

The title of this thread is "GDL round 2"

1) does it bother you that GDL 4 playoffs are taking months to finish?

2) do you have ideas to improve the GDL for GDL5?

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Here are a few of my thoughts:

It definitely bothers me that the playoffs are taking this long. I understand a big factor is that we're in the middle of summer and people aren't around as much. Bui I think the major issue with them taking so long is that there hasn;t been a firm deadline set at all. Deadlines always get things rolling. Check that, deadlines that are enforced always spark productivity.

I don't think AJ was prepared for the commitment it takes to commish the league from start to finish. It's understandable man, we all have personal lives. That being said, I think installing a tribunal for the next GDL season will help prevent the delays from happening. This way we have 3 guys, and hopefully at least 1 will remain active from start to finish.

I'd like to see the GDL 5 start late september early october. We may need to move forward with S-5 while GDL4 is completing it's playoffs.

We should also look at introducing new blood into the GDL next season. There's a soilid core of noobs that keep pounding away in the CAP league. There's commitment for ya. I don't get that impression from our league.

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I am 100% behind that. People have no motivation to play because there are currently no deadlines.

As long as the deadlines are fair, say round 2 must be complete by Next monday night. And round 3 10 days later.

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i got a great idea

let's get about five people to be on "relatively" active patrol.

me, gr8199, maybe a few more.

if someone is unresponsive or absent (to us) for a single 24 hour period, we give them a demerit.

three demerits = one loss in both the current AND next rounds.

five demerits = two losses

seven demerits = four losses and you're out

(since you really can't wage war with a 0-3 deficit, might as well leave that one alone).

And the second round would end in like...10 days.

When the semifinals start, we'll give a four or five day buffer so that nobody's eliminated within three days or so.

Questionable situations go to a three-man vote between the active patrolmen.

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i got a great idea

let's get about five people to be on "relatively" active patrol.

me, gr8199, maybe a few more.

if someone is unresponsive or absent (to us) for a single 24 hour period, we give them a demerit.

three demerits = one loss in both the current AND next rounds.

five demerits = two losses

seven demerits = four losses and you're out

(since you really can't wage war with a 0-3 deficit, might as well leave that one alone).

And the second round would end in like...10 days.

When the semifinals start, we'll give a four or five day buffer so that nobody's eliminated within three days or so.

Questionable situations go to a three-man vote between the active patrolmen.

Sounds very reasonable, albeit almost 'red' :lol:

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i got a great idea

let's get about five people to be on "relatively" active patrol.

me, gr8199, maybe a few more.

if someone is unresponsive or absent (to us) for a single 24 hour period, we give them a demerit.

three demerits = one loss in both the current AND next rounds.

five demerits = two losses

seven demerits = four losses and you're out

(since you really can't wage war with a 0-3 deficit, might as well leave that one alone).

And the second round would end in like...10 days.

When the semifinals start, we'll give a four or five day buffer so that nobody's eliminated within three days or so.

Questionable situations go to a three-man vote between the active patrolmen.

I like it....as a short term solution to this playoff situation.

I'd never suggest it for the regular season.

Now that I think about it.. I don't think a tribunal is necessary. I think AJ is still fine for the job, and I think he needs to address the deadline issue. If he's not up to the job, GR81 certainly is. With this said... I hope we can keep perspective here and not boot players out of the league for not playing a game in a few days. Strict biweekly deadlines with some sound judgment should work out fine. I hope we can agree GDL4 regular season ran smoothly?

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I agree AJ was fine for the job until the last 2 months. Nothing has been followed up on since his July 2nd post about deadline for the 2nd round going another week maybe few more days.

Since then he has gone awol. The purpose of a tribunal is to avoid that from happening again. If someone decides to leave things unattended, there would be 2 other guys waiting in the wings to keep them moving.

I agree we don't want to be hasty and cause forfeits but by the same token we should set 7 day deadlines. That is more than reasonable. Unfortunately some people slack off when things are left unattended. I can be blamed partly for that as well. Bottom line is, a good Commish is not only fair and open to constructive criticism, he is also commited to keeping things running. We have not seen that committment for 2 months now.

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2 more weeks to finish round 2 (sun aug 31)

2 weeks to finish rd 3 (sun sept 14)

2 weeks for finals (sun sept 28)

1 week break

NHL season starts.. start up the draft!

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2 more weeks to finish round 2 (sun aug 31)

2 weeks to finish rd 3 (sun sept 14)

2 weeks for finals (sun sept 28)

1 week break

NHL season starts.. start up the draft!

I think this is too long, considering the time already given. The draft should start no later then early-mid September.

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2 more weeks to finish round 2 (sun aug 31)

2 weeks to finish rd 3 (sun sept 14)

2 weeks for finals (sun sept 28)

1 week break

NHL season starts.. start up the draft!

Gotta go with 1 week per round starting tonight. That is more than reasonable.

Now we're getting into taking up others time to enjoy a new season, all because this league being left unattended. If AJ has personal issues etc or just doesn;t feel like dealing with the crap that comes wityh running a league, thats fine. That's his perrogative. However, he should've delegated his authority to someone else to continue running the league. Just disappearing is a rather selfish act. Hate to say it, but it is.

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It only takes an hour and change to hash out a 7 game series. Once the regular season is deemed to have reached its conclusion, the playoffs should begin. Each round should be a 1 WEEK deadline. After 4 weeks, a champion is crowned and preparation begins to get things in place for the next GDL. If you do not foresee yourself being able to sit down for 1 hour to play your series (if you make the playoffs unlike me) then you should not be joining this league. It is not like you have to sit down and write a best selling novel. It's a 1 hour + series! I would like to see the next tribunal or commish or whoever is gonna run this league (the best) set and make VERY CLEAR what the playoff deadlines will be at the start of the season (or a general idea...i.e.7 days or whatever). Funny thing is, this answer is simple. Once the deadline is made known and the players KNOW they will be penalized or have to forfeit games, wait and see how quickly playoff games get completed. This league will run smooooooooth. The fact that we are sitting here after this long and the 3rd round is not completed is ridiculous. Summer Shmummer..... the reason isn't summer.... the reason is there is no deadline whatsoever.

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I haven't left or anything, im still here checking the boards daily during work, im just sorry i havent been able to attend to things day and night like i had been able to a few months before. But between working, commuting, and playing soccer as much as a paid professional, along with maintaining some semblance of a social life, i have had literally no time to come on and play games.

I made a deadline a while back, but 3 series were unable to meet it for whatever reason...im not really sure what im supposed to do there to get things moving along while enforcing a deadline...either i wait or i hand the cup to kgman, the only winner at that point. So im left with the dilemma of setting another deadline (which people dont meet) or just handing out the cup. I realize in terms of playing, im just as much of the problem as anyone else who has been unable to play, this is why i wanted to get things done before the summer time because i know its dead then. But we were unable to and now we are at the mercy of people's lives, which quite frankly, can be quite busy. Its really simple to sit back and say "its just an hour" well, you know what, its not that easy, it takes scheduling, practicing, and then the hopes that the connection and computers are coroporating. Once everything comes together perfectly, then it becomes "just an hour".

I could have sat here and kept setting deadlines, and the fact is, the series most likely would have still not been completed. And then what? I mean, you can sit here and blame me and say oh, im not committed, and youd have a fair argument, but you gotta look in the mirror too. If you want me to set a deadline, fine, ill set a deadline for the last two series and we shall see how it works.

Deadline: Sunday 24, 11:59 PM

Ill tell you right now, you can pretty much eliminate me, i basically have no time available between now and sunday, to practice, schedule and get my series in with skool. So what should i do there, eliminate skool because we never got our series in or give him a free pass? I know people have ragers for free passes and i know its unfair to just eliminate skool. So, this is really all a mess. Ill do my best to get my series in, but i cant make a guarantee.

All right, i vented, now i can address the situation more maturly...

The deadline i set is going to stand, ill do everything i can to get my series in to uphold the integrity of the league, even if that means me playing without any practice games. I hope habs and carse are able to do the same. I'm sorry i havent been as devoted as i had been earlier in the season, but my life has really become incredibly busy, but everything is really good in my life, so i have no complaints. If you want to make a tribunal, i encourage it, just make sure you really have all the kinks all worked out and that its a well oiled machine. we tried the tribunal approach in GDL 2 and it fell flat on its face. Hopefully history will not repeat itself.

Thank you to all of you who still desire to keep this league as the main league in the community by showing your dedication and support. I just had to vent my frustration with these last few months, i hope you can all understand. I just hope we can all be more understanding of each other, and the timing of scheduling so that next summer we avoid this whole fiasco.

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Thanks AJ for that explanation. I understand you're busy, but that's a very good reason to designate a backup to cover for you in your absence. It sounds like you don't have the time to get in your desired level of practice AND play an hour+ series. So that said, you're concern is your game will not be sharp enough to ensure a good series with Skool. While understandable it's unacceptable for a commish (imo) to not set deadlines partly because of that. Skool would not be elimnated in your scenrios however, you would be. SKool has been on every night consistently for several weeks now.

Your reasoning basically shoots down any reason to have deadlines set in the future. I point to this post: http://forum.nhl94.com/index.php?showtopic=7684. Too funny how you were pushing out Sun initially because he couldn't play within a small window you allotted him (aka your availability).

You seemed 'dedicated' to the deadlines at that time, but unfortunately since then you haven't had the time to prepare yourself for your next series, in 7+ weeks. That is plain unacceptable bro.

This is just plain irritating. You can try and rationalize how a tribunal wouldn't work because it failed back in GDL 2. But I'm very confident a tribunal consisting of Metz/Gr81 and yourself would more than be able to handle the rigors of commishing a league.

Thank you for all your hard work during the pre-season and regular season. But we need you now more than ever to help complete the league. Please don't let us down. I think Gr81/Smo/Metz can take it from here dude.

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In all fairness, the difference in the situation between this round and the first round is quite astronomical, 75% of the 2nd round series were incomplete, only 12.5% of the series were incomplete in the 1st round when smozoma became a replacement.

And i wasnt not making deadlines because of myself, i wasnt not making deadlines because sebe had cpu issues, habs and carse were silent, myself and skool couldnt find a time to hammer out, what good would a deadline really have done? in all honesty, would sebe's computer have gotten fixed any faster? Would habs/carse been able to say a word anywhere? i mean, i understand your point, but its not so cut and dry.

Like i said before, what was my option? set a 2nd deadline, have no one play and hand the cup to KG? i mean that sounds like what hokkee wants and its just an ureasonable thing to do i think.

but if you guys are all about a tribunal, then im willing to hear ideas and such in a new topic.

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make them three-game series.

If 7 games takes 1 hour... keep it 7. AJ set a deadline, and it will stand.

I also think that we should back off of AJ; he makes a good point that even if there was a strict deadline.... some series still probably wouldn't have been completed. The spring GDL season really needs to end before the summer begins.

A solution has been issued, and I don't see any problem with it. I hope we can move on from here!

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Make the 2nd round series deadline Tuesday midnight or something. Give it a full week. Just need to get seomething out there. If people get free passes so be it, it's no one elses fault but their own. I'd like to think people have put in enough time and effort not to want to be DNQ'ed because of not being around.

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5.5 more hours until the Mark Lesser Conference Finals are set. Front runners appear to be Carse and Skool if things stand as they have.

Good Luck fella's. Let's get the CF's done quickly.

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