Coach Rankings

[halifax]

Updated Dec.02/06 12:00pm EST

Here are your updated coach rankings. I decided to make the name change. A good point was made in the last forum in regards to a 'true' power ranking. This isn't a true power ranking...but rather a combination of a power ranking and an overall performance in the past couple seasons.

Just to note, coaches with two teams received an average score for their teams.

I'm gonna introduce a new formula soon which may better represent coaches overall ability in an attempt to produce a system that can best represent a coaches skill level, accountability, and longevity playing in these leagues.

previous ranking in brackets.

1.(1) kgman - 52.00

2.(2) James - 41.40

3.(4) Marc - 41.20

4.(5) backhandfloater - 37.60

5.(3) Tickenest - 33.80

6.(13) thegr8199 - 32.70

7.(6) Matt Hurray - 27.70

8.(8) naeem - 25.90

9.(7) John - 23.30

10.tie (9) tk11, (12) kgboy66 - 21.00

12.(10) Carse - 20.50

13.(11) Juice Maker - 18.00

14.(14) hokkeefan(avg) - 17.50

15.(15) jamonica - 15.10

16.(19) newjerseykillers - 15.05

17.(-) take your pill - 14.90

18.(-) cash money (avg) - 13.30

19.(16) addisonbr(avg) - 12.85

20.(19) feez- 11.90

SNES

1.(1) the94kid - 52.60

2.(2) JotaC - 51.80

3.(3) Rudy - 42.00

4.(4) The Deer - 40.30

5.(8) Pokerchamp - 37.60

6.(6) Mat Schwartz - 33.60

7.(7) McMarkis - 32.70

8.(5) Mike - 32.30

9.(9) Fenty - 20.80

10.(12) Shakazuzu - 20.10

11.(-) Hokkefan - 18.30

12.(10) Blazer - 16.90

13.(11) Slimeball - 16.50

14.(13) Patrick Brady - 15.80

15.(17) Zyzzyvas - 15.25

16.(19) Buccs - 15.20

17.(14)Auggie - 15.15

18.(18)ThePimpImp - 13.65

19.(15)Robert Aces - 12.70

20.(16) Bloody throats - 12.60

[halifax]

I wanted to improve this coaches rankings list…so it best represents a coaches skill, commitment to the game and to a lesser extent longevity of playing.

For Regular season games…

Forfeit wins or ties won’t count as a played game. Those coaches made an attempt to play the game and shouldn’t be penalized but since the game wasn’t played. It would be treated as if there was no game at all.

However, a forfeit loss or DNP would count as a game played…If you don’t try to play your game you should be penalized and have it be a game played which of course you receive zero points.

I would take the last 40 regular season(regardless of season) ‘games played’ and total your points. That is your regular season score. (obviously a perfect score is 80 points…2 pts per win)…and of course this is constantly updated with each game played. This will also solve the issue of coaches with multiple teams since I can take their last 40 games in general. As well….new coaches don’t have to wait more then a one season to have a chance to get there name on the list.

I’ve also factored in a temporary did not play category…TDNP….this would be put in place to factor in someone’s accountability for playing games. Evan gives roughly 8 weeks to play 40 games…or 5 games per week. If at the end of week one you have a minimum of 5 games played…you will have 0 TDNP….week 2 a minimum of 10 games played…etc. as long as you stay above this average…your games will be factored normally.

However…if at the end of week one you have zero games played your TDNP would be 5….meaning you’ve ‘temporarily’ played 5 games and received zero points….

Once you play your games and get caught up…the TDNP’s disappear.

The reason for this category is to prevent someone staying at the same score for a long period of time without playing games….with TDNP’s, their score would decrease over time but as I explained…once they get caught up for the minimum games required…their score would be adjusted like any normal situation.

I’m still torn on how the playoffs should factor in.

I’ll still prefer to use the 5 points per game to total 80 points(16wins X 5) equals a championship. I’ll take the last 4 play-off series(including to the previous season) into account. If you get eliminated in the first round…your score for the next 3 rounds will be zero but counts as a playoff series.

But how would playoff forfeit wins factor into the equation?…should it be the same as regular season? This issue was one I was wrestling with for sure since I already mentioned how it is incorporated for regular season games.

I think a forfeit in the playoff should count (but only for the playoffs).

Here’s an example as to why.

Team A and B play in different conferences...both finish with identical 35-5 records. Both teams meet in the final where Team B beats Team A in 7 games. However during the playoffs Team B received two forfeit wins.

So both teams receive 70 points for their regular season score…yet in the playoffs team A is credited with 15 victories (75 points) and team B only 14 victories(70 points)….which would leave team A at the top of the ranking even though they lost in the finals….to me this wouldn’t be reflective of a true number one. I think team B should get credit for those forfeit wins into their rankings….again this would only be for the play offs.

I also wondered if playoff losses should factor in the ranking as well(meaning a team that sweeps someone should deserve better then some who needs 7 games to beat an opponent)…but I wasn’t sure how I could go about it.

One difficult thing will be to determine a league’s strength. Although I would argue that the ‘b’ leagues from this year were weaker…I think to only give them 50% is unfair…but what is a good number?….and as Evan mentioned in another topic…the leagues could be set up a little differently for the spring….so determining a league’s strength will be tough to do.

Is this a lot of work? Definitely…which is why I asked Dadonch44 to see if his stat tracker could be modified to fit this formula or one close to it. Obviously this would save me time from doing manual calculations. Dadonch44 has a keen interest in stats and said he would help out if he could.

Hopefully it was explained clearly.....I look forward to your feedback.

[ThePimpImp]

The only thing that sucks about not giving people points for ff wins is that in a lot of cases the people awarded ff wins, got them because they people they were supposed to play made themselves unavailable. As for the 5 games a week thing, a lot of people front load or back load their games. I know I only had 5 days to play the 25 I played last year (very late replacement). Also the last 40 games played thing would be excessively difficult to do, because you'll have to look through individual games in previous seasons.

Realize that Evan and co have said the next season will likely have leagues that may have more or less games than 40 so keep that in mind before these other more difficult changes are put in place.

[halifax]

The only thing that sucks about not giving people points for ff wins is that in a lot of cases the people awarded ff wins, got them because they people they were supposed to play made themselves unavailable. As for the 5 games a week thing, a lot of people front load or back load their games. I know I only had 5 days to play the 25 I played last year (very late replacement). Also the last 40 games played thing would be excessively difficult to do, because you'll have to look through individual games in previous seasons.

Realize that Evan and co have said the next season will likely have leagues that may have more or less games than 40 so keep that in mind before these other more difficult changes are put in place.

thanks for the feedback!

I think I managed to cover your concerns but perhaps I didn't explain them clearly. I think it was addison who asked in a previous topic how I handled forfeit wins. His concern was that it didn't represent the players skill since no game was played and I agreed with that fact. So just to be clear, the forfeit win in the league standings is separate. Try to think of the coachs rankings as a separate standings all together. so the forfeit winner is treated as if no game even happened....however...the forfeit loser(as you pointed out)would be penailzed because they didn't make themself available to play the game and would be handed a 'game played' receiving 0 points(basically a loss).

to your second point, If someone wants to front load their games..that is fine because once they reach 40 games played it is simply always updating their regular season score which will best represent their play in their previous 40 games. example.

dating back to last season, coach X's last 40 games record was 20-20....40 games ago coach X had received a loss.....then X happen to win his next game...and since the 40th game(which now becomes the 41st game played ago) is now dropped...and your record is 21-19 in your last 40 games and your coach ranking would be adjusted to reflect that change.

If someone decides to back load their games...that is where the TDNP's come in. A coach who finished high in the standings from the previous season shouldn't continue to be left at the top of the rankngs if they aren't playing during the new season(its no different then if a coach decided not to come back altogether)...but once the coach played their games...then their score would be adjusted.

for replacement coaches like yourself...you would fall under that 5 game per week rule...and since you played 25 games in less then a week...it wouldn't matter..you score would be based on those 25 games...

As you mentioned leagues may have different amounts of games next year(some 40, some 50 or whatever). I picked 40 games so that every player is on the same level....its your last 40 games no matter what league you played in..or how many teams you have..

you're right when you say its a lot of work...cause i would have to go through every coaches schedule...and start inputting scores....but id be willing to give it a shot atleast.

Also to add to the playoffs theory...im thinking it might be best to receive 5 points for win and a deduction of 2 points for each loss...that way...soemone who sweeps a series would be better off then someone who won in 7 games....for every series not played in...would be a reduction of 8 points(like 4 straight losses).

[ThePimpImp]

Ya, it looks like the playoff system is getting changed next year anyways, so it'll likely need to be totally redone. My suggestion would be to go status quo until new league setting are up, but if you got the time, its your project, and any rules will work.

[Guest BSDaemon]

Ya, it looks like the playoff system is getting changed next year anyways, so it'll likely need to be totally redone. My suggestion would be to go status quo until new league setting are up, but if you got the time, its your project, and any rules will work.

How is the playoff system getting changed? Just number of people who make it, id assume...

[ThePimpImp]

yes but this would significantly shift the balance of the power ranking if only 8 people get in instead of 16. SO it likely would need to be looked at.