Klimanen
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The only thing I knew about Don Cherry is my rockem sockem video my Dad gave me for Christmas in '94.
I got one of those videos for Christmas around the same time haha. Was it #4? I thought he was really entertaining and got me excited about the game. Man I watched it a ton with my brothers. I haven't seen or heard anything from him since unfortunately.
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With the weight bug fix, Gretzky definitely isn't a sure first liner.. but with it, you need him badly for his checking power
True true. Can't forget about the little guys with big hearts
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Gotta go with the Sharks. They had an AHL team in Lexington (where I live) which moved to Cleveland (where I grew up). Looks like they're in Wooster now.
My cable provider says the BJs are my home team but I honestly don't care. What a sad existence here...
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You've come to a site dedicated to nhl94 and you find the talk about the game excessive?
I hope you don't mind my poke checks
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Hey everybody, nice to meet you. I'm from Lexington KY USA but grew up in Cleveland OH where people knew a sport called hockey existed. If not for that, I would probably be on a Sonic Spinball forum or something. Started playing '93 in '92 and it was the greatest thing ever, and still is. Maybe in another 20 years I'll put the game behind me but only time will tell.
This seems like a great community although the '94 talk is a tad excessive. There are some really nice patches around that enhance the games without breaking them, which is great to see. Glad I found this place and hello all!
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Very cool, gotta try this out. Thanks Josh!
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Yeah shot power is important. Doesn't it affect wrist shots as well? I can't ever score with Gretzky in '93. I swear LA is better without him on the first line.
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Hmm, it wasn't that long ago so I'll go through some highlights from my browsing history. I asked the lycos dog about genesis hockey and he pointed me here: http://www.genesishockeyclub.ie/
and then here: http://www.retrojunk.com/details_articles/3126/
which was a great article, except the part where the author said '94 was better than '93. After scrolling to the bottom of the page I was strangely inspired to look up pics of Angela Watson. Getting back on track, I made my way to romnation to nearly download such genesis classics as Baby's Day Out and Chibi Maruko Chan Wakuwaku Shopping.
Then it was time to statnerd at nhl.com, and on to legendsofhockey.net to view the entire Gretzky gallery 1 image at a time. After this I was ramped up to read about the Nanking Massacre on wikipedia, and then I made it! I was reading reviews for NHL94 on gamefaqs! I was on fire at this point. I needed a break.
Ahh, NHLPA '93, how I had missed you. It was time to relive glory days and hoist Lord Stanley's Boombox one good time. What joyous fun, but something was missing. Should I read the plotline for Pacific Inferno on imdb? No. Watch Pawn Stars on hulu? Sure, why not. Find out the skinny on Joe Paterno at espn.com? "God help me!" No answer. "Lycos dog help me!" And he said "Go to google." So I googled nhlpa 93 and here I am.
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It's so tempting to finally make the switch from '93 to '94 now...part of what kept me away was the lack of depth with no fighting, but this fix brings a whole new element to the game. This is like NES Ice Hockey meets NHL94! Thanks a ton smozoma.
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Check out the weight bug fix thread where I posted some ROMs with the weight bug fixed, so the heavy guys can check properly. I also incorporated the checking rating into the checking effectiveness, so guys with high checking ratings relative their weight check more effectively.
Awesome, thanks for making that fix! It always bothered me that a lot of guys were slow and useless in the game, maybe with good shot power but no accuracy. With checking corrected I'm sure the game has more depth. I can't wait to play with the Pens again.
The games use integers for pretty much everything. floating point (real) math was expensive and slow back then. They might multiply things, and then divide, and then discard remainders, introducing some variation compared to what you'd get using decimals.
The overall formula in Genesis 94 was something like..
Using the base ratings out of 0-6 (0=25, 1=26-34?...5=81-98, 6=99-108.. something like that)..
overall = 2*agility + 3*speed + 1*shot power + 2*shot accuracy.. etc.. I can't remember the exact values.
Check the spreadsheet on http://blitz94.com/downloads and you can see how it works.
Oh that is interesting. A weighted overall rating has to be better. Really how could you weigh everything equally and come out with a meaningful number in '93? Nice step up for '94.
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Oh funny, I didn't know that about light players. I'll have to start using them more. So does the checking rating mean anything at all? Anything to do with how the CPU checks?
Edit: Don Sweeney could be the missing link I've been waiting for! Boston keeps looking better and better.
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Here is a list of the best scorers based on agility, speed, shot power, and shot accuracy. This idea is based on the recommended strengths for performing 'the deke' as suggested here http://nhlpa93.nhl94.com/about/scoring/scoring.php
The formula is pretty simple: (agility + speed + shot power + shot accuracy) / 4
It may not be a perfect system, but it's a much better indicator of a player's ability to get to the goal and score than the overall rating. I used my spreadsheet which includes attributes for every player in the game. If you'd like the entire spreadsheet just let me know and I'll upload it somewhere.
Team Player Scoring =============================== Chicago Roenick 100 New York Gartner 97 Detroit Yzerman 93 Edmonton Klima 90 Washington Ridley 90 Washington Ciccarelli 88 Detroit Fedorov 88 Vancouver Linden 86 Montreal Muller 86 Boston Carpenter 85 St. Louis Hull 85 Pittsburgh Lemieux 85 New York Messier 85 Boston Neely 85 New Jersey Richer 85 Montreal Savard 85 New York Turcotte 85 Vancouver Bure 83 Montreal Courtnall 83 Calgary Fleury 83 Buffalo Mogilny 82 New York Amonte 81 Washington Bondra 81 Washington Burridge 81 Montreal Lebeau 81 New Jersey Lemieux 81 Detroit Miller 81 Detroit Ysebaert 81 New Jersey Zelepukin 81 Boston Bourque 80 Montreal Carbonneau 80 Detroit Carson 80 Los Angeles Granato 80 Long Island Hogue 80 Winnipeg Housley 80 Pittsburgh Jagr 80 Edmonton Murphy 80 New York Nemchinov 80 New York Patrick 80 Detroit Probert* 80 Calgary Roberts 80 Los Angeles Robitaille 80 Boston Ruzicka 80 Los Angeles Sandstrom 80 Winnipeg Steen 80 Edmonton Tikkanen 80 Long Island Turgeon 80 Vancouver Courtnall 78 Quebec Kamensky 78 Buffalo LaFontaine 78 Vancouver Larionov 78 Quebec Nolan 78 Vancouver Ronning 78 Chicago Brown R. 76 New Jersey Ciger 76 Montreal Corson 76 Montreal Gilchrist 76 Washington Iafrate 76 Washington Johansson 76 New Jersey Kasatonov 76 Washington Khristich 76 New Jersey MacLean 76 New Jersey Stastny 76 Ottawa Turgeon 76 Philadelphia BrindAmour 75 Los Angeles Coffey 75 Edmonton Damphousse 75 Winnipeg Davydov 75 Montreal Dionne 75 St. Louis Emerson 75 Pittsburgh Errey 75 Pittsburgh Francis 75 Los Angeles Gretzky 75 New York Leetch 75 Boston Oates 75 Detroit Primeau 75 Philadelphia Recchi 75 Tampa Bay Semenov 75 Boston Sweeney D. 75 Long Island Thomas 75 *denotes pimp
I found something else interesting. Only 2 players in the game are 60 or better in all twelve attributes: Cam Neely and Al Iafrate.
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I'm curious because I've seen a 'checking' rating but not a 'roughness' rating. Are they the same thing? I was never more effective at checking with higher rated checking players so I always assumed it had to do with how well the CPU could check with those players. For the player I'm controlling nobody checks better than Roenick but Fleury is a close 2nd. With Roenick I don't even need momentum to lay someone out.
I agree with TruePensFan about aggression, it seems to make a player more likely to fight if a 71 or higher fighter is on the ice. I've seen 14-rated fighters with high agg get in lots of fights, and 42-rated fighters with low agg get in less fights. And most of you probably know a 0 fighter will never fight (which can be a good thing), and a fight won't happen unless at least one of the players has 71 or higher fighting.
Changing a player's roughness rating does not affect his overall rating in the GENS version of NHLPA '93, either. Aggression also does not affect the player's overall rating in NHLPA '93 on GENS.
This is correct. The overall rating in '93 is an average of the first 9 attributes, the last one being endurance. So aggressiveness, checking, and fighting don't count. I have a spreadsheet with attributes for every player in the game and used this formula to double check my entry work, and the OVR for every player came out right. Well, I should say it was sometimes off by 1 point, higher or lower. They may have used real numbers for the attributes when calculating the OVR, ie 66.7 instead of 66, so that could explain the small difference.
I tried '94 a little and the rating system is a little weird. I wonder if they used the same formula from '93, then ranked players by OVR, then used a multiplier to get Lemieux and Bourque to 99, and used the same multiplier to bump up every player's OVR proportionally. Just a thought but I really don't know. I got the feeling they wanted one forward and one defenseman at 99, no matter what they had to do to achieve that, short of making them perfect cartoonish players.
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I think '93 is definitely easier. I've played a little '94 and could score in bunches here and there, but not with any consistency. For me the deke is the only way to go in '93, and it's about playing a style that leads to more breakaways. You just have to allow the opposing forwards deep in your zone, stay between them and the goal, knock the puck away or allow a bad angle shot and get the rebound, then make a quick pass up to a wing. Then even in a 1 on 2 it isn't hard to weave around the defense while they scramble back to the goal. They're not good in transition, no matter who they are. When you catch them on their heels it's like they're not even there, and you're approaching the goal as if you have a clean breakaway.
I've found a physical center is useful on defense and checking the opp center on faceoffs (sometimes he'll knock the other center down even after grabbing the puck himself). Sometimes he'll get clean through off the faceoff and score a quick goal.
It is kind of tough to score on any kind of set play in the zone. Any time I score with a slap shot it feels like I got lucky, and I always give the puck away on centering passes. Although there are some techniques in the scoring guide here I haven't mastered yet. Maybe you have to know the opp goalie's weaknesses and aim for them, and know the sweet spots on the ice to shoot from. I just take whatever shot I can get without wasting much time, and I'm already heading back to my zone to wait on the rush. Trying to cut them off at center ice is risky without much reward. When you do steal the puck they still have 3 guys set waiting for you, and you're stuck again without much to do.
I used to play '93 a ton and just recently picked it up again. I went through the playoffs with the Lightning (line changes off) and went 16-0 with only one game going into overtime. Semenov is actually pretty good and almost scored at will haha. It really just takes that one guy, and quick transitions from defense to offense and you'll be able to run up the score with any team.
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These are my sub-60 all star forwards on the most underrated team, the Flyers. Who needs Robitaille, Lemieux, or Bure when you have...
LW-Dan Quinn (57 overall)
Fast and agile. Solid shooter, passer, and stick handler.
C-Steve Kasper (57 overall)
Only one player in the league has 100 shot acc, 80 passing, 60 speed and 60 checking. Steve (Yzerman? Larmer? Thomas?) Kasper.
RW-Brad Jones (55 overall)
100 speed, 80 agility. Shot is good enough to score on every breakaway and he gets plenty of them.
Favorite hockey memory
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Share your favorite hockey memory. It could be a game you went to (doesn't have to be NHL), a game you played in, one you watched on tv, or anything really.
I've only been to one NHL game in my life. It was in the 92-93 season when the Red Wings and Flyers were playing a neutral site game in Cleveland. I would've gone to see anybody play but this was outstanding. Yzerman, Fedorov, Ciccarelli, Coffey, Lindros, Recchi. These guys were my heroes and to see them all in person was surreal. I remember the fans booing and heckling Lindros every time he touched the puck
I think he had recently been involved in some incident or controversy. It's also quite possible the ornery Cleveland fans just felt they had to vilify somebody. Yzerman and the Wings got a lot of love. They were definitely the home team. And iirc Yzerman scored his 1000th career point that game and got an ovation from the crowd.
There was a lot of offense, 10 goals in total. I hardly had a chance to sit down between the vicious hits and blaring siren. A lot of the details are blurry but I'll never ever forget the end. Less than a minute to go, Wings up 5-4. Flyers pull their goalie and get a strong attack. Everybody is watching the clock, counting down. 5..4..3..2..1.. and that bastard #88 with one second left! He was in front of the goal with his arms in the air and the crowd was in total shock. He either scored or someone deflected it in, it happened so fast and I couldn't see. It was unreal! Like something out of a movie but the bad guys pulled out the miracle.
Nothing much happened in overtime. Both teams looked content with a tie and that was it. But everybody get their money's worth that night. I wonder if there are any Red Wings or Flyers fans here that actually remember this game. It must have been one of the best games in the league that year.