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It's a disadvantage for those who do not CB check because you cannot have the best of both worlds otherwise. Drafting someone for skill means no body checking and vice versa (outside of the top players). In Blitz, you can draft Neely or you can draft Yzerman. You can draft Carson or you can draft LaFontaine. In classic (No CB), you can draft Pedersen or you can draft Scott Stevens, or you can draft Kovalenko/Bradley vs. Lemieux. There is no such tradeoff with the CB check.
Without the CB check, you CANNOT build a skilled team of body checkers. Just like how you can't do it in Blitz. With the CB check you can, but the non CB checkers can't, and the non CB checkers now no longer have selection to quality of players that they would have otherwise, so that's where I feel the disadvantage comes in.
A guy like Jagr or Messier is a perfect example. There are no mid-round players who can body check with 5 agility and 5 stickhandling. Jimmy Carson is another example. There are no mid-round players who can body check and shoot the puck. It's impossible to even draft a good player who can body check past the second round. Now you can draft good players who can body check in rounds 3,4,5,6 and so on and there really is nothing to compensate for those who don't CB check.
Yes it's my choice to NOT CB check, but I draft players based on their skill. Because of this I should get picks like Gretzky/Lemieux/Coffey/Murphy, Oates/Lemieux/Bourque/Coffey (Classic, no CB), or Klima/Recchi, Klima/LaFontaine, Roenick/LaFontaine/Gilmour, Ciccarelli/LaFontaine like in Blitz (where it's 100% real), but I don't, whereas the CB checkers get a vastly improved selection of players. At the end of the day, it is a bug and when you take it out, you see how much easier it becomes to make highly skilled teams (Blitz, GDL11 (although I CB checked)) because the trade-off exists.
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There is no bending the narrative. Nobody would be drafting Lemieux or Messier if there were no CB check. We already have the comment from Raph in which he selected one of the BEST players available, and implied that it was only because of the CB check. Most don't care about the player skill. They would rather have Gord Hynes and Tom Pedersen than Scott Stevens and Zarley Zalapski. Everyone would laugh at Hokkee for drafting Mark Messier.
In Blitz 09, I drafted Klima, Recchi, Leetch, Sweeney and people told me my team sucked because it didn't have super body checkers on it. There is more to the game than body checking.
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If you aren't good enough to use fat players without body checking, then that is too bad (in my opinion). There is nothing wrong with Eric Lindros and Jaromir Jagr. If you are also unable to stop JR because you can't body check him, then that is also too bad. It's definitely harder to defeat a skilled CB checking team than it is to be good with skilled fatties or stop a superstar player without the CB check.
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45 minutes ago, smozoma said:
First, you need to understand another bug, the Weight Bug: Checking in the original game is based on weight. If you use a light player and check a player who is 8+ pounds HEAVIER than him, the check is likely to succeed and knock the guy over. This is why guys like Lemieux, Neely, Lindros, and so on aren't very useful when playing against other people, because they'll just put a quick light guy on the ice who can knock them over easily.
16 pounds, not 8.
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My problem with the CB check is that you get the best of both worlds when drafting: Drafting a player for body checking should result in a sacrifice of skill, and drafting a player for skill should result in a sacrifice of body checking.
When a non CB checker like me goes to draft a player like Larry Murphy, the ability to body check is sacrificed. If I wanted a body checker, I would have to draft a player like Russell, Hynes, etc. However, when a CB checker goes to draft a player for body checking, they don't need to sacrifice any skill because the most ideal body checker is going to be one of the best players available. When a CB checker drafts Larry Murphy, you aren't sacrificing anything in missing out on Gord Hynes and Cam Russell because what they offer (body checking) is covered by the CB check.
If I wanted a solid body checking defenseman, I would have to draft one of Sweeney, Zhitnik, Lidstrom or Svoboda. All of which are drafted too high in the sense that there are more skilled players available. This is not the case for CB checkers.
Since I don't want to body check, I go for the skilled players. However the pool of skilled players is worse than it should be because the CB checkers have been taking from it. When the CB checkers should have been taking Zhitnik, they were taking Zalapski, putting the non CB checkers at a disadvantage.
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During the Plabax League draft, Raph had a comment along the lines of "why would I draft Mark Messier without the CB check?". Even though Messier was probably the best or close to the best player available without the CB check, this comment was made.Knowing that Messier is a skilled player, we can come to the conclusion that Raph values body checking more than skill. Without the CB check, I assume Raph would go for the best checker available regardless, who would be someone like Gary Leeman, Nelson Emerson or Dallas Drake. Out of these players, Messier is the only one who is actually skilled. Messier has 5 agility, 5 stickhandling and high awareness. Without the CB check, who are the only good body checkers who have similar skillsets? Wayne Gretzky, Pat LaFontaine and Doug Gilmour. Or you could settle for Denis Savard/Pelle Eklund, all who you can almost never draft at a position as low as you can Messier.
So, instead of Raph drafting Gary Leeman and leaving Messier for me, he drafts Messier and leaves me with the next best guy (assuming he wants to body check and I don't).
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You can say I can't complain because I'm making the choice to never CB check, but I just don't feel good about doing it when there are others who don't CB check.
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Death to the CB check!
Easily one of the worst features of NHL '94.
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You can't have 30 second penalties.
I will never play another game with penalties on. They are the worst thing ever.
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I have absolutely no interest in playing at this tournament.
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CB check and C checks play a huge factor too.
It's very difficult to play against body checkers unless you have elite players, which most don't.
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CHECKPOINT 2 - JANUARY 16TH, 2017
Missed
CBK - 2 (BOOT)
Chefstar - 1
Strike Summary
kingraph - 1
Chefstar - 1
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The next checkpoint is January 23rd, 2017, and 18 games are required. Remember, hitting two consecutive checkpoints removes a strike!
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Karl, come play in the Plabax League!!
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3 minutes ago, aqualizard said:
Hate to split hairs, but the check point is premature I think? See:
Based on the above (from another thread), I didn't expect you to check the games played until the day after, as it clearly states?
Wow, you are correct. I'm not sure how I didn't catch that myself.
Thanks for the reminder! +1
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CHECKPOINT 1 - JANUARY 9TH, 2017
Missed
kingraph - Strike 1
CBK - Strike 1
Icestorm (exempt due to being out of town) - No Strike
Strike Summary
kingraph - 1
CBK - 1
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The next checkpoint is January 16th, 2017, and 12 games are required. Remember, hitting two consecutive checkpoints removes a strike!
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The league starts now. Each coach has one home and one away game against each opponent for a total of 32 games. The site is not up now, so just keep your states.
Checkpoint 1: 6 Games - January 9th
Checkpoint 2: 12 Games - January 16th
Checkpoint 3: 18 Games - January 23rd
Checkpoint 4: 24 Games - January 30th
Checkpoint 5: 32 Games - February 6th (counts as TWO STRIKES) -- All games must be played to qualify for playoffs
The cutoff time for a checkpoint is the time at which I actually check the games played the day after. So for example, if the checkpoint date is January 9th, you have until whenever I actually check on the 10th. I won't be cutting them off at 12AM because I won't always be there to check, and some people play games past midnight.
If you miss a checkpoint:
One Strike: Warning Strike / Draft Penalty
Two Strikes: Boot / One Season Suspension
If you have a strike, you can get it removed if you hit two checkpoints after. Checkpoints met before the strike don't count toward this. I can also decide to not give a strike based on what I deem to be reasonable circumstances for a checkpoint not being met.
Remember, a game is about 8 minutes.. and you need to play 6 a week. That's approximately 50 minutes of dedication a week. You should be able to figure something out.
And finally, if we do get all games in before the season is scheduled to end, we will start the playoffs early.
The ROM is attached. Good luck.
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Ga. Cool stuff. Keep playing - the game will never get old!
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It's fine that you were allowed in the playoffs. But don't you think there comes a point where you should say, "Ok, maybe I should drop.. I won't be able to play for a month"? I'm sure most guys would rather see you take that responsibility than delay the playoffs.
Did Raph allow you in on the condition that you would lose 11+ days of productivity due to "jet lag" and "dealing with the holidays"? Probably not, because he doesn't have the lack of intelligence required to think of such scenarios.
Again, you don't understand how priorities can work. Go on your vacations, but if it interferes with your playoff series and you need to make everyone else wait 30 days to compensate for it then drop the league. Why would you NOT go on a vacation that you paid for just to play in a FREE league that you can re-register for within a number of months?
It's a shame that McMikey or w/e his name is and those stupid scrubs that you destroy at the live events have blown your head up. Stick to playing with Florida and San Jose against those D-level players. You don't seem to keep them waiting.
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What you mean is do whatever I didn't do so that you can be right and I'm wrong.
This situation doesn't involve you, your comments are not productive and I don't recall you resigning from the same league even though you didnt play your season games because you "forgot" the deadline.
Don't worry, your attitude has driven me out of all online leagues for the foreseeable future. Just do the community a favor by staying quiet and playing your games.
I said that's what it seems like. To me, it seemed like you were holding up the playoffs. If I am wrong, then that's fine. I have no problem admitting you are right
I was around to play my games. I didn't resign because I had the time to play. There usually is a thread that notifies the coaches of the final deadline. and FPB kicked me from the group chat so I figured I'd get my games in once that thread came around. If I knew that I couldn't even find one hour of free time in a month, I would resign.
I don't think I have a bad attitude. It's just you and smoz who really think you can be super busy for weeks lol. I just want the games to be played with no buffoonery such as ducking, ignoring people and wasting time in the playoffs. I am sure most people agree with me. It's just that nobody is saying it outright because it's taboo to agree with me around here. When people see me as wrong, 4-10 forum members will chime in to tell me why. When I'm right, I will likely get decent support from Brutus/TK, and that's it. Besides that, the closest I get are subtle responses such as Icestorm's, in which he agreed with me and had a gentle way of calling your actions a joke.
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What I mean is that instead of asking Raph, resign. FPB active or not, it seems as if you wouldn't be able to play anyway. If that isn't the case, then it's up to FPB to take responsibility and resign.
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I think people should start resigning if they can't play. This does not have to do with AJ specifically... he just happens to be the guy who should resign in this case. You can always just sign up for the next league.
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Is this the same AJ that's delaying Classic?
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Dallas Stars
LW - Juneau
C - Murphy
RW - Sanderson
LD - Kasparaitis
RD - Stevens
G - Richter
XF - Gartner
XD - Macinnis
People may get frustrated at this.
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Congratulations to AJ!!!
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December 22 @ 11:59PM!!!
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I will Drop Lebeau and pick up Davydov.
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Doing the reverse would bring it back to normal.
Closing the gap between GENS A and B players
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Yeah the top guys can all avoid checks, but not everyone gets those players.
Deciding not to use CB check is on me, but there should be a benefit to not using it. Even if the coaches aren't good at the CB check, they are still taking all of the players they wouldn't take otherwise. So whether I use it or not, I'm still disadvantaged in the sense that I don't have as good of a team as I should be using, whereas my opponents are advantaged because they get to use a better team than they should be using.