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During January I left comments here regarding editing SNES version of NHL 94, check them and maybe you will find some useful info.
If you are patient enough, wait couple of weeks. I am going to work on the menu/ice logos and some other stuff soon. I think I know what to do as I went through the forum already to gather as many useful information as possible and have some HexEd experience when working on penalty minutes.
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I am annoyed by the rankings in my favorite game NHLPA 93 because of the Russian bias.
Igor Kuperman did the rankings. I bet he is Russian.
Valeri Zelepukin (84) is better than Brett Hull and Cam Neely. His best season was 26 goals. That was in 94. He scored 13 in 92 the year it is based on
Evgeny Davydov (75) is better than Theo Fleury and Doug Gilmour. He scored 4 goals in 92. His best season was 28.
Alexi Kasatonov (81) was good, but better than Scott Stevens (80)?
Valeri Kamensky (68) scored 7 goals in his rookie season of 1992. Mats Sundin (66) had scored 23 in 91 and 33 in 92 and Kamensky is rated better.
Anatoli Semenov (77) maxed out at 20 goals in 92 and is rated higher than Kevin Stevens (75) who score 56 in 1992.
No doubt that lots of great Russians came in the league in the 90's and desefved big rankings (Bure, Mogilny, Federov) but the bias bugs me.
Come on Wayne Gretzky is a 77? He was third in scoring with 121 points and he is the Great One. All the aforementioned Russians were better?
I feel better now.
I am making an improved Rom that will fix the glaring errors while keeping 90% of the rankings the same.
Yep, he is
Igor Kuperman is one of the most respected hockey historians and
aficionados in the game today. A dual Canadian and Russian citizen,
Kuperman left his native Soviet Union in the 1990s to work with the
Winnipeg Jets as one of the very first Europeans to be associated with
an NHL club front office. He followed the franchise when it moved to
Phoenix, Ariz. in 1996, before becoming a Toronto, Ont. resident in
2004.
Kuperman was also assistant GM of the Russian team at the 2002
Olympic Winter Games in Salt Lake City, Utah, where his squad claimed a
bronze medal. He was manager of the Russian team that played in the 1996
World Cup Of Hockey and was GM of Team Russia during Igor Larionov’s
farewell game in 2004.
In addition, Kuperman was the NHL consultant during The Stanley Cup’s
first visit to Moscow in 1997, is the co-author of the IIHF’s 100-Year
Anniversary Book, published in 2008, and in the same year was
instrumental in the launch of the Kontinental Hockey League (KHL). He is
currently vice-president of European Operations for Pointstreak Sports
Technologies, Inc.
Source: IIHF
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Expanded rosters are beyond my skills, just do not know what to do, here I am not going to be much of help.
Ice logos, menu logos and other stuff are on my NHL 94 want-to-do list, this list is pretty long (there are around 15 things I want to experiment with). I got an idea what to do and after short test I made week or two weeks ago I can say something can be done but can't promise anything now. To be 100% sure I need at least a full weekend for working on it and I have been unfortunately very busy last weeks.
I am extremely curious about the result but just cant to test it now, my real life duties are priorities now
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I have been too busy lately. I hope I will have more time upcoming week for ROM investigation :-)
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FYI: Tried this on SNES, did not work.
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I very much doubt about that, the goal horn is not present in the game.
To be honest I dont like the goal horn in other versions, it becomes very annoying after couple of goals but its maybe just me.
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"8C00" appears in the SNES ROM too many times to reasonably test through trial and error (and, hopefully, eventually, success) the ability to find the 2.33 seconds of goalie hold time in the SNES version. if anybody has any ideas, this is yet another hack I'd like to achieve in the SNES version.
109 or 110. That is too many times but the whole process takes couple of hours if not few minutes.
Few seconds to rewrite the value to 5802 and save the changes. Then minute or two (if using the save state less) to test it.
It will take two or three hours and if the value is at the beginning of the rom then just minutes. That is not so much time to invest in something you really want to have in your roms.
Or rewrite first ten values and see what happens. Then values 11-20. Then 21-30. And so on. You can find the right value even faster then.
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I am sure Off. awareness has an affect on something. Its not listed in the game in the goalie skills but its editable in the editor in both versions (SNES and Genesis). And unlike Stick Handling, Checking and Shot Accuracy the values are originally set to higher numbers than 25.
Goalikeepers rated 100: Belfour, Joseph, Potvin
85: Fuhr, Hasek, Blue, Vanbiesbrouck, Stauber, Barrasso, Soderstrom, Essensa, Whitmore
Rest 65 or less.
I don't think it is passing because Hasek was pretty bad with the stick and he is rated 85. And Hextall is not 100 or even 85!
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Weight difference, speed and timing seem to be what determines an injury. I usually find that my guys get hurt when I try to get to fancy skating in for a deke. As for the period/game injury, I do believe that's totally random.
I think timing is crucial here. When the hit is done from the right angle, almost face to face, the probability of getting injured raises too.
I think there is an injury factor for every player/team in the game somewhere. Whenever I play against Hartford, its guys from the best line get injured extremely often. I remember a 5 mins period match when I injured three Hartford guys once and one two times and usually they got at least two guys injured, no matter if playing against Whalers or coach them. Chicago guys seem to me more vulnerable too. Talking about SNES version.
I think there is this magic spot where people get injured. I think it 93 and 94. On the blue line, parallel to the left offisides dot, while breaking the puck out. May just be coincidence
Never realized this before and I agree.
I am going to make stats about this like Brutus suggested. Plus write down every game when no injury will occur.
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I tried it on my retro PC. It is not possible to do what I was talking about.
The editor rewrites data on the ROM that is opened in the editor. I was hoping it only exports/transfers parts of the ROM (all the data which are editable in the editor) and leaves the rest unchanged.
It works like this:
graphics-->graphics
rosters, lines, playoffs, menu, team names-->edited rosters, lines, playoffs, menu, team names
other data-->other data
and not like this:
graphics
rosters, lines, playoffs, menu, team names-->edited rosters, lines, playoffs, menu, team names
other data
And TLP works in the same way, not possible to export only graphics.
That's very new to me, all the editors or various utilites I used in the past on various platforms (mainly PC and Amiga) always imported/exported certain files/data, not all the files/data.
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I checked that mapping thread (great thread and great info there!) and already tried something yesterday. Just something minimal and I was surprised it was easier than I had expected. There was some result. Seemed promising.....but if noone, especially some more skilled people, hasnt figured out anything in years, I am having maybe unrealistic expectations. Will see during next few days.
I am surprised there is no more people around in the SNES subforums, but maybe its general lack of interest to post in the winter, other parts of the forum seem not to be very active either.
I'll definitely stay active
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When it comes to the penalty shots, there are two fairly major bugs in the SNES version. (Can't wait to see how trudatman spins them into features!) Anyways, here they are:
1. When a player is hit or hooked on a breakaway and earns a penalty shot, but then takes a penalty himself (most commonly for brushing up against the goalie and getting an interference penalty, which is WAY too touchy and common in the SNES version) then that player who earned the penalty shot is sent to the box. Another player comes out to take the penalty shot. Then, as soon as the new player is ready to take the penalty shot, the puck zips over to the right side of the screen, like the puck is a magnet apparently attracted to the guy in the box. The puck can not be played and after a short while the whistle blows and the penalty shot is wasted.
2. When playing a game with penalties off, the refs still call penalty shots. No other penalties occur, but apparently they forgot that penalty shots result from penalties, which were supposed to be turned off.
To be fair, the SNES version does do a good thing with the short pause before the penalty shot starts. Any experienced Genesis player has probably had a penalty shot sneak up on him and wasted the opportunity by hitting B prematurely expecting the face-off. The result is accidentally having your player pass the puck down towards the goalie harmlessly. The small pause in the SNES version is great because the buttons don't do anything as it announces the penalty shot, says who will be taking the shot and for what penalty which gives both sides a chance to be ready. No hitting B on accident and wasting the chance.
1. I've never seen this
But my SNES NHL 94 career is extremely short, this glitch is yet to come Happened to me many times on Genesis that a penalty taker had two opportunities to score. After his first shot attempt (when the penalty shot should be over) he had another one, referee totally ignored the puck crossed the goal line/the goalie touched the puck.
2. Posted today in some other thread - for me its a big plus, I like it. Its an infraction just like an icing and thats why it is called even when penalties are off. In soccer video games there are still free kicks or penalties when the cards are off.
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There are some cons though:
1. It can be abused by a coach (using this to avoid confusion, coach=human player, players=players in the game) who shoots the puck from his half and wants to avoid icing and face off in his def. zone so he hits the goalie (because the interference is still called and the game is moved to the neutral zone).
But:
a) the interference is not always called after the player hits the goalie so its a risk for him to hit the goalie instead of chasing the puck;
b ) when the player is so close to the goal line the coach probably will go after the puck with the player, instead of trying hitting the goalie, and keep his players in the attacking zone;
c) sometimes it's a delayed penalty and it looks weird when the goalie leaves his net and then no penalty is called, this happens rarely though, most of the interference pens are called when the goalie controls the puck or a player controlling the puck hits the goalie and the ref stops the game immediately.
After playing some games with interference off I will never play the original version again, this is much much better imo
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One thing that Gens has over SNES is the goddamn press Y and instantly get up (and hook your opponent) from a check thing. I absolutely HATE that glitch in SNES, it's maddening to lay a guy out with a nice hit only to have him instantly levitate, hook you, and you lose the puck. I can't believe the programmers let the glitch make it into the final version. If you're not familiar with it then you probably haven't played much online since literally every player does it, you're pretty much at a disadvantage if you don't do it.
Also the goalie interference penalties are out of control in SNES, and can be complete BS when the opposing goalie leaves the crease to check you and you end up with a penalty.
All that being said, SNES > GENS easy, but keep in mind this is coming from an extremely biased SNES 94 player who's been playing it since the day it came out. Gens just has too much of an arcade vibe and the skating/passing is so much more "loose" feeling as opposed to the tight SNES controls. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter though, it's just awesome that so many people still play each version and that we're all part of such a great community.
The get up bug is a huge bug, I dont use it when playing against the computer but it must be frustrating when playing against a human opponent who is skilled with this and you refuse to do it (or do not know how to do it properly). An agreement or banning this in competitions might be the solution. On the other hand, some people really like it and enjoy it so its a matter of taste. It makes some people happy at least
Interference penalties can be changed from 2 mins to zero. I already posted info about this in some thread, I would like to know other SNES players' opinion about this. Seems like no one cares and when I found this I felt like an inventor of the wheel
100% agreed on both points. The other major glitch that I hate in SNES is when penalties are turned off (like in Puck Dynasty) and they still call penalty shots. That's super annoying and makes no sense at all.
I like that penalty shots are called with penalites turned off. It's like turning off yellow/red cards in a football (soccer) video games. Cards are disabled but free kicks and penalty kicks are still a part of the game.
Icing is an infraction too and it is called when penalties are off.
For me its +.
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no and no.
I use DarWine on my Mac 10.4.11. I use TileLayerPro to edit graphics. you could open both mine and the original to add graphics back. you'd match up the spot that the icons are in. you'd use the + and - keys near the P on the keyboard to line the images up. each one must be done separately. it's not too tough.
Sure, I know that another utility is used to edit graphics and not the statto's editor. The point is in importing/extracting data. If statto's editor extracts only the palyers/teams/menu/playoffs data and then importing them to the rom, should be possible (or not) to extract the data from your rom and then import them to the original rom. Or vice versa, extract the data from original ROM and import them to your rom.
With data I mean everything that is editable in the statto's editor, not all the game's data.
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Two questions regarding the indicators and graphics in general. My main PC with Windows is kaputt now and I got only notebook with Linux here so I cant try it myself, stattos editor doesnt work in WINE (Linux application to run Windows applications) for me.
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If you have problems with having no indicators at all and you want to play trudatman's rom with the indicators in it, does this way to put them back work?
Can someone try please, it takes only few secs.
1. Put the original NHL 94 rom and trudatman's rom in the folder with the editor executable file.
2. Open the smc file (trudatman's rom) in the editor.
2. Now save it - overwrite the original NHL 94 rom.
If the emulator imports/exports only the players/team/playoffs/menu settings data and not the graphics, you should have the original NHL 94 rom with unchanged graphics but with all the data from trudatman.
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Dont you think removing the star indicators make the players turning faster? Or its just the placebo effect?
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I want ultimate control in a hockey video game and SNES NHL'94 is great.
Exactly my opinion.
Sorry for bumping this old thread. I had the same opinion like most of you here (this game is bad, too fast) but after trying the PAL version (slower than NTSC version) I changed my mind. Its not bad at all. Its almost like NHL 94 from different camera view. Its got full season, one-timers are more difficult to perform - the timing must be accurate and overall its pretty good. But it must be SNES PAL and not SNES NTSC, its unplayable them. Give it another try, maybe you start liking it.
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The SNES versions of NHL96-98 does not even work good offline. Freezes. And desyncs online.
Maybe I've used a bad rom version or something. I don't know.
Its an emulator issue, these games work perfectly with other SNES emulators.
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Download the player list from the bottom of the Blitz downloads page.
Go to the second page, "Formulas," and change the black numbers to be the same as the greyed-out default numbers beside them.
I think, but I'm not sure, that the player rating in SNES 94 is probably the same as in Gens 94. You just need to translate to the 0-6 scale. So 85 is a 5 probably.. etc...
You won't want to write out all the players, of course, but you could make some template players, like all 4s, all 5s, etc.
I found the thread and the Gens formula is different to my research I think. Question is if my research is not a complete BS
there can be many different playoff setups.
Yes, of course. Its my language mistake :-)
"There can be
onlyone line in the playoffs" should be there I think.There can be 32 playoffs setups (not sure now), but when only one is filled, it works.
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Me too, 50 to 70 US dollars, paypal gift.
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Open source is great. There were some things I would have liked to add to NOSE...
We have the overall rating scheme for Genesis, and I'm guessing on SNES it's pretty much the same. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out, anyway.
If I only read this before I started with the nonsense described above
:lol: Never mind.
+If you want to get free bytes for adding more players on the team, you can get them by using initials. For instance B._Ranford instead of Bill Ranford and so on. The game works, no freezing or crashing during the game, in the menus, anywhere, its 100% perfect. When you use only one word in players names (Vanbiesbrouck), the game freezes.
+When adding GK on the team, he will get the portrait of the player who is originally as first non goalie player on the team.
Originally:
Vernon Vernon's portrait
Suter Suter's portrait
MacInnis MacInnis' portrait
Roberts Robert's portrait
After adding a goalie:
Vernon Vernon's portrait
NewGoalie Suter's portrait
Suter MacInnis' portrait
MacInnis Robert's portrait
Roberts Nieuwendyk's portrait
Do not add goalkeepers on the team if you want to avoid this and do not know how to change the players portraits.
+The starting goalie is always the goalie who is the first player on the team's roseter, no matter who is set as a number 1 goalie in Lines editor.
+Do not add players on the team if you really do not plan to add anyone. After removing a player there will be one more player in Players cards with no name (just number and empty space or semi-colon). This player is not on the roster and the game doesnt crash or freeze when you get to him when checking players cards. But it looks weird so do not remove players if you have no serious reason for that. This cant be solved by adding a player after removing, this no name player's card will be there always when you remove a player in the editor.
+There can be only one line in the playoffs. No need to fill all the lines with same play off setups.
+When the playoffs are set like this in the editor
1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8
the playoffs in the game goes like this
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2
3
4
5
6
7
8
Team 8 is in all conference matches as a home team (Playoff mode) or has home advantage in games 1, 2, 5 and 7 (Best of 7), team 1 is always playing away (Playoff mode) or is an away team in games 1, 2, 5 and 7 (Best of 7).
There is no reseeding when the round is finished. Just like in Olympics or World Championships. Winner of the 7-8 match will always be playing against winner of the 5-6 match in the next round.
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Great editor, thanks for it statto!
I have done some research with it and here are the outcoming data:
Useful info:
1. Goalkeepers
1. ENDurance is not endurance for goalkeepers (goalies' endurance is completely missing in the game), it is STICK RIGHT. You can check it yourself by changing this value in editor to 100 and then check STICK RIGHT skill in the game. So keep this in mind when editing goalkeepers skills.
2. All goalies have Stick Handling, Checking and Shot Accuracy set to 25, these skills are completely missing in the game and when changed to higher values the game works with no problem and goalkeepers overall ratings are not affected.
3. Offensive Awareness - again not listed in the game and does not affect overall rating* but originally it is set to higher values than 25. Some goalies are rated 100 (Belfour, Joseph, Potvin), some 85 (Fuhr, Hasek, Blue, Vanbiesbrouck, Stauber, Barrasso, Soderstrom, Essensa, Whitmore), rest 65 or less.
*Does not affect overall rating when it is set to 100 separately, it might affect overall rating when it is set to higher value with other skills, read the paragraph 3. Goalkeepers overall rating for more (confusing) information.
Not very useful info:
2. Players' overall rating
Aggression and ?????? (or weight or L/R) have no influence on overall rating (when set to higher values separately, read paragraph 3).
?????? is passing-shooting bias probably, I read it somewhere on this forum and after playing couple of matches against teams with all players set this skill to 25 and then couple of matches against teams with all players set to 100 I can confirm that. Btw, the higher this ?????? value is, the more difficult the the game is, you have less time to steal the puck.
Rest of the skills can be divided into four groups:
1. Endurance, Passing Accuracy and Shooting Power - affect overall rating very little
2. Shooting Accuracy - affects overall rating little
3. Agility, Defensive Awareness and Checking - affect overall rating much
4. Speed, Offensive Awareness and Stick Handling - affect overall rating very much
I did following tests with defensemen and forwards in two different lines (always for two defensemen and two forwards, third forward was unchanged) at least three times for each skill to get statiscally most accurate results.
First I set up all the skills to 25. All players in the game had overall rating 25 after that. Other skills were 25 or higher, depended on hot/cold streaks/randomness, overall rating was always 25, never higher.
Then I set one (only one) of the skills to 100 to see what happened with the overall rating.
1. After changing endurance or passing accuracy or shooting power to 100, overall rating was 2-3 points higher (27-28).
2. After changing shooting accuracy to 100, overall went 4-6 points higher (29-31).
3. 100 in agility or in def awareness or in checking made overall rating 6-7 (31-32) points higher, rarely 5 (30).
4. 100 in speed or in off awareness or in stick handling - overall was 6-9 points higher (31-34), rarely 10 points higher (35).
When I set up two skills from group 4 to 100, overall rating went up by 16 to 20 points (8-10 pts per skill) to 41-45 , when I set up three skills from that group to 100, overall rating went up by 24-40 points (8-10 pts per skill) to 49-65.
Then I did the same procedure with all skills set to 55. Overall rating varied from 58-62. There is a slight progression, compare overall rating when all values are set to 25.
1. END or PAS ACC or SHO POW set to 100; overall rating = 7-8 points, rarely 9, higher than 55 = 62-63 (64)
Two skills set to 100 = adds 3-4 pts more to overall rating (62 to 64 + 3 to 4)
Three skills set to 100 = adds 3-4 pts more to overall rating (62 to 64 + 3 to 4)+3 to 4
I hope you are not lost here :-D In words, when more than one skill from this group is set to 100 the overall rating is only 3 to 4 pts higher, there is a degression.
2. SHO ACC set to 100; overall rating = 10-11 points higher than 55 = 65-66
3. AGI or DEF AWA or CHE set to 100; overall rating = 11-13 pts higher than 55 = 66-68
4. SPE or OFF AWA or STI HAN set to 100; overall rating = 14-15 pts higher than 55 = 69-70
Two skills set to 100 = adds 8-9 pts more to overall rating (69 to 70 + 8 to 9)
Three skills set to 100 = adds 8-9 pts more to overall rating (69 to 70 + 8 to 9)+8 to 9
When all skills are set to 65, overall rating is 77-82, when all skills are set to 85, overall rating is 100.
3. Goalkeepers overall rating
This was much easier than players ratings but it is much more confusing.
When all these skills -
STICK RIGHT (ENDURANCE in the editor), STICK LEFT, GLOVE RIGHT, GLOVE LEFT, SPEED, AGILITY, DEF AWARENESS, OFF AWARENESS, PUCK CONTROL
are set to 25, overall is 25.
When any of these skills (group 1)
STICK RIGHT (ENDURANCE in the editor), STICK LEFT, GLOVE RIGHT, GLOVE LEFT, SPEED, AGILITY
is set separately to 100, overall rating is still 25. It looks like they do not affect overall rating but its not true.
When any of these skills (group 2)
AGILITY, DEFENSIVE AWARENESS, PUCK CONTROL
is set separately to 100, overall goes to 38 to 40. When two of them are set to 100, overall goes to 51 to 55. When all of them are set to 100, overall goes to 74 to 80.
The skills from the first group do not affect overall rating separately but they definitely affect overall rating when more of them are changed from 25 to higher values because goalkeepers can be valued more than just 80 points which is maximum when all three skills from group 2 are set to 100.
All skils set to 55 --> overall is 50-55
All skills set to 65 --> overall is 65-70
All skills set to 85 --> overall is 85-9x
Resume:
No overall formula found.
NHL 94 calculates overall formula in a mathematically perverted way.
I completely wasted one afternoon
More info in my next post.
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I'm ten or so miles outside of Nederland, nice to see a fellow Colorado dweller although I'm an Alaskan at heart.
I just noticed there's no penalties as well, that makes things interesting. I'm ok with no BS interference penalties.
Did you try this?
Ninety Flow 2013-2014
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Nothinig right now, but very soon with menu and ice logos and few other things
I am not that busy in RL now, I will start next weekend probably and my results will be posted during March I suppose.