Bob Kudelski Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) I don’t think anyone has made a comprehensive list of defensive rankings for SNES, so here it is. The definitive list! This is not about team defence. This is about defensemen only; I have not considered forwards or goaltenders. This is based on Classic League rules (i.e. penalties on, no line changes), so depth of defence has very little weighting here. There is also some bias here as I tend to prioritize size and mobility over shooting and passing, when it comes to defensemen. I will begin with the bottom 6 and periodically release the rest of the list in groups of 5, by updating this post. Let me know your thoughts below. Boston (9.5/10) - Bourque is the best defenceman in the game, and Wesley is an underrated partner who can defend adequately and chip in offensively with his smooth skating. New Jersey (9/10) - Stevens is a star who can do it all. Fetisov, despite his lack of speed, is an extremely effective player. He has a rare combination of massive size, agility, stickhandling and passing. Washington (9/10) - Iafrate is like an untamed beast, with a killer slapshot and a beautiful skullet. Hatcher has intimidating size, but lacks agility and can get caught flat-footed. Los Angeles (8.5/10) - Blake is a talented, physical defenseman. McSorley is huge and imposing, but skates like a Zamboni, tends to bobble the puck, and take bad penalties. Detroit (8/10) - Coffey is known for his dynamic skating and scoring, but weighs in at a deceptive 212 lbs. The added weight allows him to take care of his own end too. Chiasson is adequate in a supporting role. Chicago (8/10) - Chelios has good skills but lacks the size needed to be a true star in the game. Smith is very solid across the board and might actually be the more valuable player, given his heavyweight status. Hartford (7.5/10) - In the confines of this game, Zalapski is a star defenseman who can get the job done at both ends of the ice. Weinrich leaves something to be desired, but can use his size and straight-ahead speed to be a force at times. Edmonton (7/10) - Both Manson and Kravchuck have good size and above average skills. Often overlooked and underrated, this is the best Canadian-team pairing. Pittsburgh (7/10) - Murphy and Samuelsson form a solid but bland pair that get the job done supporting the Pens’ superstar forwards. Samuelsson tends to lay the lumber on guys, so you’ll have to put up with his penalties. New York Rangers (6.5/10) - Patrick is very solid in all categories, but Leetch can be problematic in his own end. He’s a lightweight with below average speed. Instead, try the steady, if unspectacular, Kevin Lowe. Calgary (6/10) - MacInnis and Suter provide excellent mobility and offense, but lack the weight needed to stop the heavier forwards found on most top teams. Winnipeg (6/10) - Housley is supremely skilled and skates like the wind. But the wind is also one of many things that will easily knock him to the ice. Numminen is decent, but Olausson will add some size without sacrificing any skill. Quebec (5/10) - While not overly skilled or large, Duchesne is an above-average defender that can skate and compliment the skilled forwards. Leschyshyn has nice size and speed, but handles the puck like a grenade. That said, he’s been known to enter “beast mode” once in a while. Toronto (5/10) - Ellett is a nice two-way player that doesn’t get enough recognition. Replace no-skill-Gill with Macoun, who has a great moustache. Montreal (4.5/10) - I look at the Desjardins / Schneider pairing and I want it to be that classic size / skill pairing. Problem is, Desjardins isn’t that big and Schneider isn’t that skilled. Meh. Vancouver (4.5/10) - Lumme and Lidster are solid, but unspectacular. They both have good stickhandling, so won’t bobble the puck much. They survive by getting in the way and moving the puck to the Canucks skilled forwards as soon as possible. St. Louis (4.5/10) - Brown has a great shot, and he and Butcher are 212 lbs which is nice. But both have skating issues. In fact, Butcher skates like a dump truck with a flat tire. Buffalo (3.5/10) - Svoboda has great mobility, but gets eaten up in his own zone by most capable forwards. Smehlik and Bodger are big bodied stay-at-home guys that will create congestion in the D-zone, but don’t expect them to do much else. Anaheim (3/10) - Kasatonov is a hidden gem. He’s basically Fetisov with more speed but less D awareness. He has the size, stickhandling and passing you like to see in a top D-man. Plug in a big body like Ladouceur for a pairing that’s arguably better than some non-expansion teams. New York Islanders (2.5/10) - Malakhov has nice size at 220, but he lacks skating speed, much like the smaller Kasparaitis. Neither of them are good stickhandlers or passers. No quality bench players available either. Dallas (2/10) - “Stars” isn’t the first term that comes to mind when assessing the Dallas D. Tinordi has decent size but that’s about it. Sjodin is a lightweight with nice agility, but lacking any other offensive skills. Unfortunately there are no capable replacements. Enjoy! Florida (2/10) - Murphy is a very strong skater. He’s like a poor man’s Glen Wesley. This alone elevates the Florida D above the other expansion teams, save Anaheim. Cirella is a plug. Philadelphia (1/10) - Galley, Yushkevich, and Hawgood are almost like clones.. mediocre clones. They are all 196 lbs (which is less than ideal), and lack the speed, stickhandling, and passing skills. Galley is probably the odd man out. San Jose (1/10) - Wilson has some offensive tools including a big shot, but he has average size and mobility. Neil Wilkinson is also a defenseman on this team. Ottawa (0.5/10) - Despite a team-leading 63 points in 92/93, Maciver got no love from the ratings guys. He’s small, slow and has no offensive skills. Brad Shaw, also a terrible player, is slightly larger. Tampa Bay (0.5/10) - Hamrlik and Beers. These guys have great names! Edited July 22, 2019 by Bob Kudelski trying to fix some weird font and formatting 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tru Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 The Boston Bourques. I am loving some Kevin Lowe, too. plenty to pick from.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annatar Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Philly worse than Florida, ouch. Great idea bud. Looking forward to seeing the rest of your thoughts. I'll comment as you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Kudelski Posted November 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 9 hours ago, annatar said: Philly worse than Florida, ouch. The truth hurts bud. Gord Murphy is far better than any Philly defender. If he were on Philly, they'd be a much better team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Kudelski Posted November 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Updated original post with #16 - 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tru Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Vancouver mentioning just two of their many interesting defensemen? they deserve a revisiting, big time. I would rank them much higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Kudelski Posted November 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, tru said: Vancouver mentioning just two of their many interesting defensemen? they deserve a revisiting, big time. I would rank them much higher. Well you can only use 2 defensemen at a time. Would you put Diduck in for Lumme or Lidster? Doesn't improve the pairing much. I'm curious what remaining teams you would rank lower than Vancouver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tru Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 I am not sure, as I have not attempted such a ranking, but there are at least two more unmentioned defensemen I like on that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tru Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 I also tend to play 20/on/on/manual, so I see those other guys a lot more than 5/off/off/whatever players might. I don't get much use out of the starting defensemen on Vancouver, but they are deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oilers442 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Loving this thread! Surprised about no mention of Sandis Ozolinsh for San Jose. Certainly better than Wilkinson and while not an all-star by any means, he can skate somewhat decently and doesn't fumble passes too overly often. I figure that has to count for something on a team as rough as San Jose. My experience with Brown and Butcher for St. Louis has always a bit different though in terms of speed. I've never felt like either skater was too slow to be effective and truthfully, I've always considered Brown's speed to be above average..I don't know his speed rating by memory though so I may be surprised when I actually pull it up. Admittedly, St. Louis is a team I haven't used as much over the years and my play style is more based on possession and passing, so maybe by default, I don't notice differences in speed as much as other players would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Kudelski Posted December 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 41 minutes ago, Oilers442 said: Loving this thread! Surprised about no mention of Sandis Ozolinsh for San Jose. Certainly better than Wilkinson and while not an all-star by any means, he can skate somewhat decently and doesn't fumble passes too overly often. I figure that has to count for something on a team as rough as San Jose. Thanks! There's not much to separate Wilkinson and Ozolinsh. They have the same weight, speed, agility and stickhandling. Ozolinsh does have a bit better offensive awareness and shot, so he might be the better player, although Wilkinson is a better passer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tru Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 the huge speed bonuses afforded to hot/cold players can routinely boost a scrub-looking dude into superstardom. Terry Yake (although not a defenseman) comes to mind as a frequent recipient of the gifted attribute bumps. getting each player some ice time early can help you figure out who is on fire. it can make or break your Oz/Wilk-level decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Kudelski Posted December 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 28 minutes ago, tru said: it can make or break your Oz/Wilk-level decisions. Sophie's choice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tru Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 seriously. which is why that bonus speed search can be so crucial. somebody hack a pre-game skate into the game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Kudelski Posted December 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Oh Canada! I just updated the original post with #11 to 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Kudelski Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Updated with #5 to 10. These rankings are sure to be controversial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer - KO94IIsnes Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Great list Adam! I agree w/ most (if not all) of these rankings... Hartford is the only surprise in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Kudelski Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Damn. Rest in peace Zarley Zalapski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Bob Kudelski said: Damn. Rest in peace Zarley Zalapski. Very sad. We'll keep his memory alive forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Kudelski Posted January 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Thank you for your interest in my list. Your demands to finally post my top 5 and complete the list have completely overwhelmed me. So there it is, in the original post. Congrats to Ray Bourque and the Boston Bruins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidswasted Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 @Bob Kudelski Was there ever a forward ranking for SNES? I've looked around in the forums and haven't found anything. I know AJ's lines is awesome, especially the CB check section, but it doesn't consider puck carrying since there's no weight bug in SNES. Does this mean fatties in SNES are slower to accelerate than Gens? No love for SNES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Kudelski Posted July 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 @kidswasted hey bud I’ve had a forwards ranking in draft form for the last 3 years. Never finalized it. I’ll dust it off soon, and release it to the world. But remember, these are really just my own personal rankings, for fun and to for debate. Fatties in SNES are generally slower, but I think more valuable given how much better they can give and take hits. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidswasted Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob Kudelski said: @kidswasted hey bud I’ve had a forwards ranking in draft form for the last 3 years. Never finalized it. I’ll dust it off soon, and release it to the world. But remember, these are really just my own personal rankings, for fun and to for debate. Fatties in SNES are generally slower, but I think more valuable given how much better they can give and take hits. Sounds good, thanks man! I have the #1 pick for the SNES Classic B league and trying to cram a bunch of research and test games in today! I'm normally Boston as a homer and I know you play as them a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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