Pearate

Online Issues and Genesis Bios

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The majority of players who plays against me, report some lag, or anomaly speed. The strange thing here, is that on my side, the game run properly the most of the time. Sometime little lag, but nothing serious. The most problem I have is frequents desynchronizations. More often that in the past.

The only clue I have is that I use a 32X genesis bios, that I linked in the option.

What's your opinions ?

By the way, anyone else use an original bios in gens ?

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I doubt 95% of people even know this is an option and use the default. I don't even know where to get a different one.

You did something to change it?

Who is hosting when the lag is bad? If you are the host, then of course the connection will be bad for them, because you are across the ocean.

It could be that you are just used to bad connections.

Maybe some experiments could be done to see if changing the bios makes a difference (I have no idea if it would/can)

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You did something to change it?

What do you mean ? you just need to go in the option, and select the bios panel, then select the directory where your bios is. I use the 32X_G_bios.bin . I use also the Sega CD bios, and the complete 32X bios. (if someone want to try the bios and need a link, just send me a personal message, but it's not so hard to find)

For the online troubles, it's independent, either I host or not, I always have no lag and the other player has. I Just have some lag when the ping is very high.

What do you mean by " It could be that you are just used to bad connections" ? Can I change something on my side ?

Or do you mean that we can't do anything because our physique internet connection is too bad ?

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BIOS won't do anything. It's meant for CD play. You can either use a Sega CD BIOS or 32X BIOS. Has nothing to do with cartridge play.

Go to pingtest.net and post your results here. To make it more fair, maybe pick a server that is in the US to see what your ping is.

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The only thing I can add is sometimes it has something to do with the computer itself and how it handles video. For example, I used to play Seth, who (in Internet terms) lives right near me. When we used to play on his old computer, we would get a stable ping of like 15, etc and our Internet connection was great. However, 90% of the time I'd have the game be super-fast on my end, normal on his, to the point of being unplayable. It was terrible. He did mention the old one was whirring, lol.

Seth got a new computer, nothing changed about either of our connections or locations. Now our games are 100% great each time.

On the flip side, I never had problems playing Brutus, but after he got a brand new computer, I experience the same sped up play about 50% of the time with him.

Just saying that sometimes what we call lag can be due to a hardware issue, especially if it's only felt on one side. Classic lag is when both players feel the delay in button responses and/or spikes, which freeze up the game for a second. That's all due to distance and Internet connection clarity.

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Just wanted to add, I do confuse the French guys, sorry. But one of you got new internet recently a league or so ago, and it was much better.

Also, Darko (which may well be the one with new internet) played me recently, and I was worried because the ping was quite slow: like 110-130 ms. Yet, surprisingly, the games were smooth, and with no desyncs? I could tell it was right on the edge of getting laggy -- it was not 100% crisp -- but it didn't go "over the edge", if you catch my drift. It was actually better than games I have against Brutus, for instance. (I have smoothing always set to "If near UV (+4ms)", btw, for everyone.)

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What do you mean by " It could be that you are just used to bad connections" ? Can I change something on my side ?

Or do you mean that we can't do anything because our physique internet connection is too bad ?

I mean if your games always have bad lag, you may not realize it because you are used to it. And then when you play against someone who is used to playing on a good fast connection to someone close geographically, they will think the connection to you is terrible.

The only thing I can add is sometimes it has something to do with the computer itself and how it handles video. For example, I used to play Seth, who (in Internet terms) lives right near me. When we used to play on his old computer, we would get a stable ping of like 15, etc and our Internet connection was great. However, 90% of the time I'd have the game be super-fast on my end, normal on his, to the point of being unplayable. It was terrible. He did mention the old one was whirring, lol.

Seth got a new computer, nothing changed about either of our connections or locations. Now our games are 100% great each time.

On the flip side, I never had problems playing Brutus, but after he got a brand new computer, I experience the same sped up play about 50% of the time with him.

Just saying that sometimes what we call lag can be due to a hardware issue, especially if it's only felt on one side. Classic lag is when both players feel the delay in button responses and/or spikes, which freeze up the game for a second. That's all due to distance and Internet connection clarity.

This is interesting stuff... Have to wonder what causes the slideshow play... maybe the other computer is not sending the data smoothly but instead is sending it in sudden large chunks...

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This is interesting stuff... Have to wonder what causes the slideshow play... maybe the other computer is not sending the data smoothly but instead is sending it in sudden large chunks...

Yeah, well to be honest, right before I got my new computer, guys were starting to have issues with my really old laptop that had become a cesspool of disease & virus or had gotten so old, even Seth was byatching! So, I bought a new computer, however, it does not seem to be the best thing to play NHL '94 online with.

It's an ALL-IN-ONE, and was great (until I dropped it!) at playing live, head to heads. A very large screen that could host multi-players at the same time, it hosted hours of play for Ice & Co when they came to town.

HOWEVER, it is running on Windows 10, and in addition, does not have a great graphics card, as most All-In-Ones large tablet style PC's do cut corners on this issue.

So, I think it's the graphics card slowing down the processing & sending of the data outbound. ON MY END, I never see anything vs Raph but smooth sailing. On his end, he gets a blotchy game. Good for me, bad for him :)

I would like to figure out how to fix this though, so any night one of you nerds wanna try to connect to my pc and dig, let me know.

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Go to pingtest.net and post your results here. To make it more fair, maybe pick a server that is in the US to see what your ping is.

With a server in New York my ping is 88 ms, jitter 1 ms . And for Los Angeles, ping 154 ms, jitter 4 ms.

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We should maybe use a special section in the forum, dedicate to online configuration. We digging interesting informations here.

Actually, no one can say what is the best way to configure options. For example, what is the best for the smoothing ? Always ? Extra +2, +3 or more ?

Having a 32X or sega CD bios, does change anything ? Is it better to play on a server ? Is it better to play without Hamachi and open the port in the rooter ?

Are the cards graphics or the computer itself interfere with the online play ?

What cause exactly the desynchronizations ? The modified rom ? the emulator ? the new kaillera ? The computer ? or bad connection ?

I reopened the debate too with Kega Fusion, are the online play more stable with this emulator ? Or could it fix the majors problems we encounter ?

A lot of questions who need answers.

We need to play on our best. The online comfort is crucial for the game. A good configuration can maybe revel some undetected talent in the community. Attract some news or old players. And the games will result more exciting and competitive.

We should put some effort to find the best way to play.

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BIOS won't do anything. It's meant for CD play. You can either use a Sega CD BIOS or 32X BIOS. Has nothing to do with cartridge play.

How are you that sure ? Any source ?

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What an enthusiasm...

god youre so annoying

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god youre so annoying

Trying to improve the online play in annoying ?

Give me a pleasure, forget that I exist. And if you step in the discussion, say something intelligent for one time.

If trying to improve the online play is not important, I don't care, because I don't have lag on my side.

I made this post only for progress, and if no one cares it's fine for me.

But I don't want anyone coming and crying because the game is laggy.

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Trying to improve the online play in annoying ?

no, your whiny sarcasm and nagginess is annoying. There was no need for you to get mad that nobody responded to your long winded boring technical nonsense post

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There was no need for you to get mad that nobody responded to your long winded boring technical nonsense post

1st I wan't mad, and it was humoristic, maybe I should have put a smiley next.

2 I find you annoying and aggressive, if you don't car about a post, why do you steep in ?

3 Your conclusions about my technicals questions are really surprising. So I assume that you are a specialist of the technical part.

We all heard you then, give us some response. Of course, don't forgot to mention your source, because if it's jut your own point of view, truly I don't care

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How are you that sure ? Any source ?

BIOS - Basic Input Output System

Actually, I was wrong. Gens allows you to choose a BIOS for the basic system. Though there aren't really much differences. One is pre-TMSS, the other post-TMSS (The Licensed by Sega Corporation Page that pops up when you load a game).

Use one from here - http://appnee.com/11-bios-files-collection-for-sega-genesis-sega-cd-mega-cd-and-sega-32x/. Or I would just delete the BIOS and it will use the default built into the emulator.

The guy also makes a different version of Gens. Maybe we should try it out?

http://appnee.com/gens32-surreal/

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I suspect that new emulator won't make any difference for netplay. Sounds like the customizations are more about adding features than improving performance. It says Kaillera is built in, but the screenshot shows only server mode, so I think there may be no peer-to-peer play?

This page lists a bunch of emulators and their features:

http://segaretro.org/Comparison_of_Sega_Mega_Drive_emulators

"Exodus" is rated a 5.. interesting. It also says the debugging capabilities are sophisticated, I may have to look into that one...

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"Exodus" is rated a 5.. interesting. It also says the debugging capabilities are sophisticated, I may have to look into that one...

"Exodus" interesting me too. Only problem, the sound is unsupported...

gen32 surreal is a dead project apparently, the link are dead, and the official site doesn't exist anymore.

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"Exodus" interesting me too. Only problem, the sound is unsupported...

gen32 surreal is a dead project apparently, the link are dead, and the official site doesn't exist anymore.

No sound?!? Weird. Are you sure? I thought the Z80 was the sound chip, which it has in the table.

Probably doesn't do netplay, though.

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No sound?!? Weird. Are you sure?

I haven't test it yet, but it's what is right here http://segaretro.org/Exodus

Anyway, Exodus is promising, and is an Open Source project since April 2016.

I will follow the evolution of the project.

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According to my recent tests. The only thing who comes out is that the smoothing to play online is to be set on 0 .

Not +1 or higher.

If you set you set +1 or more, there will be a great chance that your opponent will improve lags as you don't.

A 0 setting, should be more fair.

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