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Came up with a few ideas last night on how to soften the blow on some of these quality players who have below average speeds/shot speeds without completely breaking my methodology. I'm fighting with one hand tied behind my back while I sort out my laptop issues but I'd like to try and maybe do an update of the ratings prior to the playoffs. Appreciate any feedback you (or anyone else for that matter) has in the meantime. Everything helps. Also, do you play with line changes? I still can't get over how slow Tkachuk is in real life, however... Only forward with any notable playing time that is more of an anchor by any of the data available is, drum roll please, Pat Maroon - who is hanging them up in a couple weeks.

Didn't mean to break everything It's great that the NHL is providing all this new data and I've tried to incorporate it into my ratings. The downside is exactly what you've pointed out... Just to use your examples, McDavid was intended to be dropped, his top speed this season is behind Necas, Kupari, Jarvis, Janmark, Stamkos, Pospisil and Trocheck. The problem is, as you've pointed out, that it takes away from the "name" players. I doubt anyone is saying, "I can't wait to play with Mattias Janmark and Martin Pospisil!" Digging deeper, you could probably make good cases for McDavid and MacKinnon to be bumped up as they skate faster more often than Stamkos and Trocheck. Point is probably the highest-ranked of the 4s, just missing the cut but based on TOP speed. Another stat the NHL now provides is 20+MPH/G. Top 3 would be McDavid, MacKinnon and Point. Maybe it would be better to use that instead of a skater's top speed moving forward. Barzal... well he's had a rough season - he's only the 173rd ranked skater based on top speed at only (only?) 22.78 mph. Matt Rempe is (gulp) 154th. However, he's a respectable 3.27 20+ per game which would put him at 13th among forwards and on the 4/5 cusp. He's just not the burner he used to be this season, be it age or injury. Reinhart is another problem one: The new stats just aren't very kind to him. He's in the low-mid range among forwards in skating speed and he's only shot over 80 mph 5 times this season. However he's got a high shooting %, high offensive awareness and is among the league leaders in goals. You're right though, the low speed and shot power ratings kill him. I was hoping that the new info available would make the game more interesting and bring a new element to player ratings outside of points per game and goals scored. Unfortunately the way that certain ratings have an oversized impact to in-game performance it seems it just created more problems. Appreciate the feedback, playtesting is the only way to learn about this stuff. I'll definitely take it into account next go around.

Just a quick side note to illustrate how slow Tkachuk really is... Nathan MacKinnon has broken 20+ mph 415 times this season or on average 5.85 times per game. Tkachuk has done it 6 times the entire season.

Suffered a crashed hard drive that I'm trying to recover from (BACK YOUR STUFF UP PEOPLE!!!) and lost all of my ratings spreadsheets so I can't speak entirely to how they were calculated. Tkachuk (oof) and Robertson are both among the slower skaters in the league this season. Tkachuk for example: Although all players were completely re-rated, there shouldn't be a large difference in the number of 6s handed out - as in the original NHL94 I generally reserve them for the best of the best. I do use also use a comp system that takes into account a player's role and compares them to how that fit into ratings in the original game to prevent ratings bloat where everyone is an 80+ overall. I did do a set of ratings last year that boosted players' speed ratings to potentially account for the faster pace of the game today but I don't think they were used in a finished ROM? The drawback to having more data available to address things like skating and shot speed is although the ratings might more accurately reflect the reality of a player's skill set it doesn't necessarily translate to what makes players good in the actual game. Maybe the solution is to raise the floor on several key ratings (like speed) to make the game "more fun"? The problem there is that with 700+ players to rate now it makes for much less diversity in ratings, there's a big fat middle section of players that essentially play the same.

It's a little bit of this, a little bit of that... The raw ratings are mostly based on various stats, some traditional and some fancy new ones. I've found the NHL Edge data to be particularly useful because it's the first consistent source (that I've found) that puts numbers to skating and shooting speeds. Those were always tricky for me. If a player's scouting reports called him a "mobile defenseman", how do you translate that into ratings? Now there are some numbers available to help guide those decisions. I also use a lot of player comp stats to match how certain player types were rated in the original game. Then I throw everything into the blender and adjust the ratings to reflect the style/era of whatever league I'm rating and rebalance everything so that there is enough difference between players to make it noticeable in-game. I try to stay generally faithful to the spirit of the original game. No fun if everyone is a 90+ overall.

get better Adam!

You wasted your time to post this to belittle the work of one of the few people out here putting out new stuff and pushing the limits of what the game can do? I'm sure you think you're clever. * yawn * Read the room.

PuckPedia.com seems to have taken over as the replacement for Cap Friendly. They've massively upgraded the site since the news broke and have even brought on several former CF people, including the guy in charge of maintaining rosters/depth charts. Still a bit of a work in process, IMO, but what they've done in the past month or so is pretty impressive.

Love how you just keep pushing that bar a little higher! I hope @mitch13 is able to check this one out.

Your journeys down the rabbit hole never cease to amaze me 🤣

I'm also a SIHR member. Annual dues are $30 give or take. If your focus is on the NHL you likely won't find anything that you can't get elsewhere. If you're looking for stuff like the 1910 Northern Saskatchewan Hockey League you'll find things that are not publicly available anywhere else. Definitely geared towards the more obscure but lots of interesting resources there.

I honestly have no idea why I chose Hampus Lindholm here, but... https://leftwinglock.com/players/index.php?p1=Hampus Lindholm&flag=y Here's a screenshot of the "side" data. Here's Draisaitl's because he's one where I am always asking myself "what position does he REALLY play?"

I would second Left Wing Lock for positional data although not sure how scrapable it is. Also a good source for info on who players are most often on ice with. I'm pretty sure that I'm not paying for a subscription and my login still works after all these years. Running through my bookmarks I noticed another old gem is gone if you ever used pick224.com. It was a great resource for COMPLETE stats from European, NCAA and junior leagues all the way back to 2008. Going to miss that one. @AdamCatalyst wish they would have had that tool earlier. I spent countless hours manually transcribing numbers from Edge...

The mad genius strikes again! Love how you are able to visually make these look like entirely different games.

I am indeed still alive, hockey season is just an extremely busy time of year for me. Been in the lab working on another unfinished project and also working on this update. My partner is probably shooting me the side eye for wasting valuable working hours by responding here. Time to make the donuts.