gsguyotte Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 In getting worked up to start my first league, I was browsing the past standings and noted something interesting. I looked at all the Classic 94 Leagues from 2010 (both GENS and SNES), and 6 out of 7 leagues posted a higher home ice winning percentage. It was quite significant in some cases (57% home ice win in SNES-A Spr. 2010). The average overall all the leagues was around a 53% home ice winning percentage. Anyone think there is a little home ice advantage built in to the game? It sure seems it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halifax Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 home ice advantage seems to be there for sure http://forum.nhl94.com/index.php?/topic/12465-home-advantage-in-nhl94how-important-is-it/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c4outlaws Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 How much of it is actually Home Ice Advantage? How much is game play preference? I know personally that I play better trying to score at the top net 2 times a game so when I am the away team I have 2 periods to score in bottom net and that's where I struggle. But sometimes it does seem as though the home team seems to play a little better also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsguyotte Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 How much of it is actually Home Ice Advantage? How much is game play preference? I know personally that I play better trying to score at the top net 2 times a game so when I am the away team I have 2 periods to score in bottom net and that's where I struggle. But sometimes it does seem as though the home team seems to play a little better also. This probably has some to do with it. I actually prefer to score at the bottom net, I feel like I can see the trailer a little better and I do play for a lot of one-timers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xot82 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 This probably has some to do with it. I actually prefer to score at the bottom net, I feel like I can see the trailer a little better and I do play for a lot of one-timers. I also prefer to score at the bottom net. The last 2 classic seasons I've had a better record away than home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABS Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 theres def an advantage check out blitz every single tm had much better home record. http://blitz94.com/teamstats.asp?season=5&playoffs=false&orderby= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 You can also view the historical home/away records for all coaches: "A" League "B" League Only a couple people with more than one season played have better away than home records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kupuck19 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 In getting worked up to start my first league, I was browsing the past standings and noted something interesting. I looked at all the Classic 94 Leagues from 2010 (both GENS and SNES), and 6 out of 7 leagues posted a higher home ice winning percentage. It was quite significant in some cases (57% home ice win in SNES-A Spr. 2010). The average overall all the leagues was around a 53% home ice winning percentage. Anyone think there is a little home ice advantage built in to the game? It sure seems it. For having only 8 posts you sure do have a lot to criticize... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 For having only 8 posts you sure do have a lot to criticize... sounded like just an observation to me :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsguyotte Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 For having only 8 posts you sure do have a lot to criticize... Can you explain what I am criticizing please? I'm making an observation that I found interesting. I think this site and leagues are great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pondhcky1 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 i seem to find that home team gets a 3rd period advantage - not sure if it's related but crowd noise usually shows me whos had the advantage in the game, i.e if you can keep it quiet than away team got some advantage or at least played well enough to silence the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 I noticed at the end of the manual (http://nhl94.com/multimedia/manuals/NHL94_GEN.pdf) starting on pg 55, it lists the teams and rosters. For each team, the manual lists "Home Ice Advantage" and "Road Ice Disadvantage" from Low, Average, and High. You think there's anything to that? From the stats you guys presented, there's undoubtedly an overall home ice advantage, but I wonder if it's more/less severe depending on the teams? A High Home Ice Advantage vs. High Road Ice Disadvantage would be the most skewed, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Home/Road advantages do affect some skills. I can't remember them off the top of my head, but I know when you're on the road, if you have a good road advantage, your players have higher aggression (or is it roughness). Similarly, PP/PK skills also affect things like shot accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Robbie Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 I noticed at the end of the manual (http://nhl94.com/multimedia/manuals/NHL94_GEN.pdf) starting on pg 55, it lists the teams and rosters. For each team, the manual lists "Home Ice Advantage" and "Road Ice Disadvantage" from Low, Average, and High. You think there's anything to that? From the stats you guys presented, there's undoubtedly an overall home ice advantage, but I wonder if it's more/less severe depending on the teams? A High Home Ice Advantage vs. High Road Ice Disadvantage would be the most skewed, etc. Yeah, I was going to say the manual actually states home & away advantage levels, and i've noticed that the players stats in things like offensive & defensive awareness differ from game to game. I like to set my PK teams based primarily on def awareness, so when I play with line changes my PK usually differ from game to game. Is this related to home or away advantage levels? And I am another that prefers attacking the top net, and also defending the bottom net, so away games are more difficult for me. It's certainly an interesting post and a valid discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Home/Road advantages do affect some skills. I can't remember them off the top of my head, but I know when you're on the road, if you have a good road advantage, your players have higher aggression (or is it roughness). Similarly, PP/PK skills also affect things like shot accuracy. Fascinating! Is this true in Blitz as well, or have you found the code and normalized it for all teams? I never thought about this when switching teams from BUF to DAL. Not that I'm complaining (I can't stand that Buffalo music), but just never considered it. Yeah, I was going to say the manual actually states home & away advantage levels, and i've noticed that the players stats in things like offensive & defensive awareness differ from game to game. Fascinating! lol. If I remember, I will try to pay attention to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Yeah, I was going to say the manual actually states home & away advantage levels, and i've noticed that the players stats in things like offensive & defensive awareness differ from game to game. I like to set my PK teams based primarily on def awareness, so when I play with line changes my PK usually differ from game to game. Is this related to home or away advantage levels? And I am another that prefers attacking the top net, and also defending the bottom net, so away games are more difficult for me. It's certainly an interesting post and a valid discussion. You actually should ignore the player ratings in the Edit Lines and Team Roster pages since they don't mean anything. They're randomly generated within +/-8 of their base attribute, but actually "under-the-hood", the bonuses are different. It's a stupid bug. You can read more about it here where I made a hack to fix it. Fascinating! Is this true in Blitz as well, or have you found the code and normalized it for all teams? I never thought about this when switching teams from BUF to DAL. Not that I'm complaining (I can't stand that Buffalo music), but just never considered it. In Blitz, all the teams have the same attributes. I think I gave a slight home advantage and a large PP advantage (since it seems so easy to score PK goals). I also equalized the ratings for this year's Summit. In the previous Summits, Canada's team was using Anaheim's ratings and USA's team was using Boston's rather better ratings. Another reason the USA season 2 summit victory is a sham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 In Blitz, all the teams have the same attributes. I think I gave a slight home advantage and a large PP advantage (since it seems so easy to score PK goals). I also equalized the ratings for this year's Summit. In the previous Summits, Canada's team was using Anaheim's ratings and USA's team was using Boston's rather better ratings. Another reason the USA season 2 summit victory is a sham Awesome, thanks. And USA's victory this season will be completely legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) Looking at the classic results (6,850 games) of the regular season for Home and Away, there is an overall home ice advantage. Overall .523 home vs .477 away. But what's more interesting is that the "High", "Avg", and "Low" Home/Road Ice Advantage ratings for each team seem to make a difference too. In the few teams that have a High road advantage and Avg home, the away % is greater than home. For example, EDM has Avg home ice advantage, and a High road advantage. They post a .396 home and .481 away! NJ is the same Avg/High and they too, have a better road record of .382 vs .353 home. So I guess you're better off on the road with those teams. TEAM Win% Home % Away % HIA RIA ANH 0.211 0.263 0.158 Low Low BOS 0.535 0.577 0.491 High Avg BUF 0.579 0.629 0.529 High Avg CAL 0.474 0.473 0.476 Low Low CHI 0.692 0.719 0.667 High Avg DAL 0.529 0.546 0.512 Low Low DET 0.610 0.637 0.583 Low Low EDM 0.439 0.396 0.481 Avg High HTF 0.366 0.400 0.333 Low Low LA 0.533 0.541 0.526 Avg Avg MON 0.615 0.665 0.566 High Avg NJ 0.368 0.353 0.382 Avg High NYI 0.725 0.900 0.550 Low Low NYR 0.476 0.513 0.440 Avg Avg OTT 0.438 0.500 0.375 Low Low PHI 0.282 0.283 0.280 High High PIT 0.359 0.406 0.312 High Avg QUE 0.397 0.394 0.400 Low Low SJ 0.331 0.384 0.278 Avg High STL 0.287 0.302 0.271 High Avg TB 0.557 0.571 0.542 Low Low TOR 0.470 0.500 0.441 Avg Avg VAN 0.541 0.534 0.549 Avg Avg WSH 0.528 0.556 0.500 Avg Avg WPG 0.439 0.479 0.399 Avg Avg Total 0.500 0.523 0.477 Another quick note -- here are the results of home ice win % compared the the overall percentage for teams who have HIA listed as High, Avg, and Low: HIA Win % Home % Diff High 0.522 0.558 0.036 Avg 0.479 0.496 0.017 Low 0.496 0.512 0.016 You can see that a "high" home ice advantage seems to bump up your win% more so than avg and low. All of which makes sense and confirms (at least for me) that home ice is usually better, and the individual team advantages also factor in the game. My next goal is to see if I can get my hands on the game by game data to see how the results look for home teams with high/avg/low advantage vs teams with high/avg/low away advantage. That granularity would be interesting. Edited October 4, 2011 by kingraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABS Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Isles at .900 win at home WTF?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) Isles at .900 win at home WTF?? Lol, I didn't filter the data. This anomaly is Icestorms 29-11 season with the Isles. He went 18-2 at home. I'll filter low sample size in the future. http://nhl94online.com/html/coachpage.php?lg=7&sublg=GENS&team_ID=227 Edited October 4, 2011 by kingraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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