tecmo super bowl TSB3 - Adding 2 Teams MT Remix Project Mayhem

[Drunken_1]

 

Updated 8-8-2020

I've moved the Stages to Word docs, this will make for a cleaner first post and easier access.  I made the mistake of not doing this earlier and it almost cost me all the information.  Learn and evolve.  Thank you to the NHL Forum for letting me continue this project here and for the help @chaos gave me to get all this information back.  Thank you all and please feel free to ask questions. 

Just know there is no time table for when this game will be "released".  If you see the beginning date of the thread I started on TBorg, you will see it has been a long work in progress.  (And we started hacking TSB3 about 5 years before this post)  It is nearing completion though, so follow along, ask questions and make suggestions.  Tecmo Super Bowl III will be a 32 team rom soon!  
 

The Quest For 32 - TSB4's Journey to Completion.

Started by drunken_honkey, March 22, 2015

This thread is intended to be just a spot for the TSB fans to follow the process of the our TSB4 rom project. Here we will post each stage of converting the season from 30 teams / 6 divisions to 32 teams / 8 divisions. We will post coding we may need help on, updates on the status of certain codes, screen shots and videos. Stage Titles will be in "red" until completion. Once the Stage is complete it will be in "green". At some point the betas will be released in this thread. Something like this has not been tried on this site, and seeing as me and my brother (Hurricane55) are going in uncharted SNES waters, I thought this would give everyone a basic idea of what we do as we edit this game and maybe get some help on parts we might be stuck on. I will try not to jump around, but if we hit a dead spot, I will move to another section until I can figure out what ever issue we might have. This should be a great guide once we are done. The hacks we will need to do will pretty much cover the processes of hacking text, mapping sprite locations, and data adding (we will have to add 2 division that will be able to be selected in the menus). Also, I still have some cut scene hacking to do, and once you edit one cut scene, you'll have an outline of how to hack the remaining. I will be adding individual spreadsheets for backgrounds and cut scene sprites when I get to those edits. I'm going to try and keep this thread as nice and orderly as possible for easier navigation for future edits.

Hacks included in this thread:
Stage 1 - Visually changing the Division Standings Menus to reflect 4 teams only. (Page 1) - 100%

Stage 1 - Standings Menus Visuals.docx
Stage 2 - Expanding the arrow mapping in the Main Standing Menu from 7 to 9. (Page 1) - 100%

Stage 2 - Standings Menus Arrows.docx
Stage 3 - Expand the text pointers for each of the Divsion Standings Menus from 6 to 8. (Page 1) - 100%

Stage 3 - Standings Menus Text.docx
Stage 4 - Relocating Code In the SRM File for Division Stats / Rosters (Page 1) 100%

Stage 4 - Standings Menus SRAM.docx
Stage 5 - Relocating Codes In the SRM File for Team Control Menu (Page 1) 100%

Stage 5 - Team Control SRAM.docx
Stage 6 - Create new Team Control Menus. Expanded to 32 screens (Page 1) 100%

Stage 6 - Team Control Menu Season.docx
Stage 7 - Expand the Season Schedule to 32 Teams / 16 Games Per Week. (Page 1) - 100%

Stage 7 - Season Schedule Expansion.docx
Stage 8 - Expand the Season Team Stats to Read 16 Teams Per Division / 32 Teams. (Page 1) - 100%

Stage 8 - Stat Tracking Expansion.docx
Stage 9 - Expanding the End of Season Menus to 8 Divisions / Season Awards & All Pro to account fir 32 Teams. (Page 1) - 100%

Stage 9 - End of Season Menus and Awards.docx

Stage 10 - Expand the Playoffs to include 8 Divison Winners/4 Wildcard. (Page 1) - 100%

Stage 10 - Playoff Menu and Seeding.docx
Stage 11 - Expand the FA coding and Turn off Trade Function. (Page 1) - 100%.

Stage 11 - Trade and FA Mode.doc

Stage 12 - Expand Team Tables for misc team styles (Page 1) - 100% Just need to post the locations.

Stage 12 - Team Tables.doc
Stage 13 - Misc Roster Coding. (Page 2) - Will continue to add as I find coding that does not really apply to any of these stages). On Going.

Stage 13 - Misc Locations.docx

Stage 14 - Expanding the coding to read the Created Players.

Stage 14 - Created Player.doc

 

Tools Used For These Hacks

Cygnus Free Edition - Hex Veiwer / Editor

Geiger w/Debugger - SNES Emulator with DeBugger & DisAssembler

SNESPal - SNES Pallet Editor

TilEd2002 - Easy to use Graphics Veiwer / Editor

TileMolestor - Hardcore Graphics Veiwer / Editor

ZSNES - My personal favorite SNES Emulator

HxD - Hex Veiwer / Editor / Compare Files

no$sns - Not so good emulator but has VRAM Veiwer and Debugger.

Master Thread Save: (This is just the whole original post I pulled from TBorg)

Master Copy All 32 Season Coding from TBorg.docx

Stage 1 - Standings Menus Visuals.docx Stage 2 - Standings Menus Arrows.docx Stage 3 - Standings Menus Text.docx Stage 4 - Standings Menus SRAM.docx Stage 5 - Team Control SRAM.docx Stage 6 - Team Control Menu Season.docx Stage 7 - Season Schedule Expansion.docx Stage 8 - Stat Tracking Expansion.docx Stage 9 - End of Season Menus and Awards.docx Stage 10 - Playoff Menu and Seeding.docx Stage 13 - Misc Locations.docx

Master Copy All 32 Season Coding from TBorg.docx

Edited August 26, 2020 by Drunken_1
Updating Data Locations

[UltraMagnus]

8 hours ago, Drunken_1 said:

New to the site, though I've been here a couple times in the past to get information about moding Sega.   My brother got on here years ago to get help with a Coach K mod.  He too needed information on hacking Sega.  Before I post anything, just making sure it is okay to post non NHL roms here.  Just got the news today Tecmobowl.org shut down.  I am currently trying to get some information off the site for my TSB3 SNES hack.  My brother and me were adding 2 teams and doing a major graphical overhaul of the game.  I was just finished adding faces to all players yesterday.  If that site is truly gone I will be looking for a new home for our hack and release.  

I'm in that same boat. I started with TSB 3 for Sega and started do the same for SNES. If you want and contributers.

[Engelby77]

8 hours ago, Drunken_1 said:

New to the site, though I've been here a couple times in the past to get information about moding Sega.   My brother got on here years ago to get help with a Coach K mod.  He too needed information on hacking Sega.  Before I post anything, just making sure it is okay to post non NHL roms here.  Just got the news today Tecmobowl.org shut down.  I am currently trying to get some information off the site for my TSB3 SNES hack.  My brother and me were adding 2 teams and doing a major graphical overhaul of the game.  I was just finished adding faces to all players yesterday.  If that site is truly gone I will be looking for a new home for our hack and release.  

Man i was hoping that you would pop up somewhere and that this was not lost !!!

[halifax]

13 hours ago, Drunken_1 said:

New to the site, though I've been here a couple times in the past to get information about moding Sega.   My brother got on here years ago to get help with a Coach K mod.  He too needed information on hacking Sega.  Before I post anything, just making sure it is okay to post non NHL roms here.  Just got the news today Tecmobowl.org shut down.  I am currently trying to get some information off the site for my TSB3 SNES hack.  My brother and me were adding 2 teams and doing a major graphical overhaul of the game.  I was just finished adding faces to all players yesterday.  If that site is truly gone I will be looking for a new home for our hack and release.  

I think you're fine. hacking is a generally collaborative community regardless of the game. welcome!

[halifax]

4 hours ago, UltraMagnus said:

I'm in that same boat. I started with TSB 3 for Sega and started do the same for SNES. If you want and contributers.

welcome to the site!

[Drunken_1]

Yeah, however I never wrote anything down from my front page of the 32 team project.  I have contacted some people to see if I can get that still.  Hoping it's not too late, I really need some of those locations.... and I just started getting motivated again.  I will update my original post as the Information part of the thread.  I will post screen shots and other things to show off this project.  

Edited July 31, 2020 by Drunken_1

[chaos]

4 hours ago, Drunken_1 said:

Yeah, however I never wrote anything down from my front page of the 32 team project.  I have contacted some people to see if I can get that still.  Hoping it's not too late, I really need some of those locations.... and I just started getting motivated again.  I will update my original post as the Information part of the thread.  I will post screen shots and other things to show off this project.  

Have you tried using the wayback machine on archive.org? It takes screenshots of pages over time, there may be screenshots of the stuff you are looking for.

[Drunken_1]

I will definitely try that out tonight.  Would be awesome if it works.  Knobbe from tecmo bowl said he will try but doesn't know when or if he can get the info for me.

[Drunken_1]

4 hours ago, chaos said:

Have you tried using the wayback machine on archive.org? It takes screenshots of pages over time, there may be screenshots of the stuff you are looking for.

I don't think I could ever repay you for this information, I was able to find my thread and copy and paste it here.  This is everything I needed.  Thank you from the bottom of my heart.  My brother and me have been hacking this game off and on for 10 years.  The 32 Team mod has been 4 years of that.  

Edited July 31, 2020 by Drunken_1

[Drunken_1]

Player Face Hack:

Not only will all the players have faces, you can see how they are feeling also!!

[Drunken_1]

Cutscenes will now have snow and rain:

 

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by Drunken_1

[Drunken_1]

New Team Control Menus, information for each team still needs to be adjusted, the text in this screen is just a place holder.  This screen also has button hacks to help navigate quicker.  It will also remember the last team you were on.  So you will always start with the last team that you were on when you come to this menu.

From this screen you can change your default Home and Away Jerseys.  You can also set this in exhibition when you are at the start screen before starting a game.  I added it to this menu for convenience.   There are some other things I have planned for this screen including a way to update the Grades, and changed offensive and defensive play styles.  I also have plans to try and code it so the Superbowl totals go up as you play the game.  That is on the back burner as I only have a small amount of the code needed for this.   At some point we will remove the create-a-player option and add a coaching editor that will include sliders for game speed (running and pass speed), power, clock speed and our AI chances % success rates.  

[Engelby77]

@Drunken_1 still august ?

[Drunken_1]

38 minutes ago, Engelby77 said:

@Drunken_1 still august ?

I think I am shooting for at least an eight play beta.  Still waaaay too much work to release a completed rom.  But we do need to start testing the AI part out.  This weekend is about getting the face hack completed.  I need to figure out what is happening with the Trade and FA screens when you view the player.  It doesn't freeze the game, just doesn't load the way I want it to.  Default FA are not coming up correctly either.  Only after the FA mode is done does it give them the face I assigned to them on the Rom.

Edited August 1, 2020 by Drunken_1

[UltraMagnus]

13 hours ago, Drunken_1 said:

I think I am shooting for at least an eight play beta.  Still waaaay too much work to release a completed rom.  But we do need to start testing the AI part out.  This weekend is about getting the face hack completed.  I need to figure out what is happening with the Trade and FA screens when you view the player.  It doesn't freeze the game, just doesn't load the way I want it to.  Default FA are not coming up correctly either.  Only after the FA mode is done does it give them the face I assigned to them on the Rom.

Hey Druken_1. Im more than happy to help out with anything you might need. Been working on alot of games and even started diving deep into TSB3 on Sega. So, if anything is needed let me know.

[UltraMagnus]

23 hours ago, halifax said:

welcome to the site!

Thank you. Ive been working on alot of Sega based sports games (Triple Play, World Series, TSB3, NHL95). 

[Drunken_1]

1 hour ago, UltraMagnus said:

Hey Druken_1. Im more than happy to help out with anything you might need. Been working on alot of games and even started diving deep into TSB3 on Sega. So, if anything is needed let me know.

Have you cracked the graphics compression for TSB3?  

We really like TSB3 more for Sega but the graphics compression was the issue that kept us from hacking it.  Same for NBA Live.  We got lucky Coach K was an early EA title as they didn't compress any graphics that we could tell.

Edited August 1, 2020 by Drunken_1

[Drunken_1]

1 hour ago, UltraMagnus said:

Thank you. Ive been working on alot of Sega based sports games (Triple Play, World Series, TSB3, NHL95). 

Oh and we looked at Triple Play.  Wanted to turn it into a college game.  CWS 20## would have been fun.  We also looked into the Hardball Series.  

[UltraMagnus]

1 hour ago, Drunken_1 said:

Have you cracked the graphics compression for TSB3?  

We really like TSB3 more for Sega but the graphics compression was the issue that kept us from hacking it.  Same for NBA Live.  We got lucky Coach K was an early EA title as they didn't compress any graphics that we could tell.

I've found where they all are, just needing to play with Tile molestar to find the proper palettes, and adjustment.

Also found a way to edit the rosters as well without issues.

[UltraMagnus]

1 hour ago, Drunken_1 said:

Oh and we looked at Triple Play.  Wanted to turn it into a college game.  CWS 20## would have been fun.  We also looked into the Hardball Series.  

I've already attempted to change it and have made progress to convert to a NCAA. And the rosters have been hacked and the team names just needing some adjustments.

[Drunken_1]

6 minutes ago, UltraMagnus said:

I've found where they all are, just needing to play with Tile molestar to find the proper palettes, and adjustment.

Also found a way to edit the rosters as well without issues.

So you found the graphics for the player helmets?  I think there were a couple of the logos that were compressed.  I will check my notes, I think I have quite a few locations we found for the Sega version.  We stopped when we couldn't find the compressed graphics.   We were too busy at to learn that stuff, though I found some programs to help.  TSB3 on the genesis had a wider view.  Think you can see 20+ yards as opposed to 15+ yards on the SNES.

[UltraMagnus]

3 minutes ago, Drunken_1 said:

So you found the graphics for the player helmets?  I think there were a couple of the logos that were compressed.  I will check my notes, I think I have quite a few locations we found for the Sega version.  We stopped when we couldn't find the compressed graphics.   We were too busy at to learn that stuff, though I found some programs to help.  TSB3 on the genesis had a wider view.  Think you can see 20+ yards as opposed to 15+ yards on the SNES.

Yeah the compressed versions, I found them in a few programs HIVE and palette editor to find the colors and to find there locations. Yeah you can see more yardage. I'm good at editing the players and some of graphics, just need to tinker with them more to find the proper settings. Plus the mini heads on big plays.

[Drunken_1]

57 minutes ago, UltraMagnus said:

Yeah the compressed versions, I found them in a few programs HIVE and palette editor to find the colors and to find there locations. Yeah you can see more yardage. I'm good at editing the players and some of graphics, just need to tinker with them more to find the proper settings. Plus the mini heads on big plays.

Nice, would love to see your progress, I'm too far deep into the SNES to switch now, but I really love the Sega version better.

[UltraMagnus]

42 minutes ago, Drunken_1 said:

Nice, would love to see your progress, I'm too far deep into the SNES to switch now, but I really love the Sega version better.

Here was my progress right before finding the compressed minis and helmets.

Tecmo Super Bowl 3 '20.bin

[UltraMagnus]

3 hours ago, UltraMagnus said:

Here was my progress right before finding the compressed minis and helmets.

Tecmo Super Bowl 3 '20.bin 2 MB · 3 

Here are some other roms. Triple play needs to be used with RetroArch (Genesis Plus X) and NHL95 I think you and a few others started it a few years back. But I brought it further with what was accomplished (Updated Rosters, Seattle Kraken, etc.) Let me know what you think.

NBA Live '20 (98).bin World Series Baseball '20 (98).smd Triple Play Gold 2020.bin NHL '20 (95).bin

[Drunken_1]

Do you plan on doing any graphical editing on these?  If you can get me the locations or the size each graphic needs to be I can see what I can do to help.  

Did you increase the speed on the TSB3 rom?

[UltraMagnus]

1 hour ago, Drunken_1 said:

Do you plan on doing any graphical editing on these?  If you can get me the locations or the size each graphic needs to be I can see what I can do to help.  

Did you increase the speed on the TSB3 rom?

Yup doing it on all. I can make a file for each with the locations and sizes. 

I've increased the speed.

[DominikJagr]

Just found out tecmobowl.org does not exist anymore. Dont know if I am f..ked up or sad. Probably both. All the info and all the work done by people are gone. 

Edited August 3, 2020 by DominikJagr

[Drunken_1]

2 hours ago, DominikJagr said:

Just found out tecmobowl.org does not exist anymore. Dont know if I am f..ked up or sad. Probably both. All the info and all the work done by people are gone. 

Yeah, the quickness it was shut down really sucked.  There is still information I had on a couple of threads that I will hunt down through archive.org.  I also still need a couple jstout codes he put on the site.  I never copied them, I just had shortcuts to those threads.  Really need his open WR hack coding.

[DominikJagr]

After reading two posts on change.org made by the guy known as Mort in the Tecmo community I would have done the same what Knobbe did I guess. But I would let people to access the site backup or something similar. At least for couple of weeks to download files/threads. I've made just couple of posts there but I loved reading that forum. As a European loving NFL and Tecmo games (became fan of both thanks to NHL94 forum and tecmobowl.org site) I lost the place I like visiting.  

Btw, shutting down the site is discussed here (https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/other-football-games/973316-tecmobowl-org-shut-down.html) and this https://github.com/BAD-AL/TSB_Stuff was posted there. 

 

@Drunken_1 

Drunken_Honkey has made Tecmo Superbowl 4 that is 99% complete, and was posting on the site with updates. Anyone have a clue how to contact him on his progress ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TecmoBowl/comments/i100ws/tecmobowlorg_is_no_more/

 

Edited August 3, 2020 by DominikJagr