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What are the best ways to make the Original Genesis Look, Play, and Sound Good on HDMI TV's?

Is it even possible?

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I play on an HDTV.  But it is a plasma with no (or very little) lag.  I think LED TVs will have lag. 

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All modern TVs will have some lag because of the internal upscaling done by the TV to take the 240p video signal coming from the console and make it displayable on a 1080p display. Some will have more than others. It shouldn't be very noticeable though. The problem is the upscaling makes it look like crap. Some TVs will treat the video signal better than others as well.

The Framemeister is designed specifically to upscale 240p and 480i signals. So it does a better job than a TV would. It upscales it to 720p or 1080i/p and connects to the TV via HDMI. This way the TV does not have to do anything with it except display it. Unfortunately, the Framemeister is out of production now. There may be other options.

The best signal output from ANY console would be in RGB. The framemeister can take RGB input (as well as regular A/V). Pretty much the only option for the best look. There are also some CRTs that will take RGB input. Most systems can output RGB natively (no mods needed, just the right cable). Genesis and most SNES versions do. Once you see a system in RGB video, you will wonder how you ever played it any other way. 

The reason why RGB is the best is because it is the base of any video signal.

For example:

You pop in a NHL'94 cartridge into your Genesis. The Genesis reads the cartridge and says "Hey, I need to display the color of the ice. The ROM inside the cartridge tells me the ice is blueish." Actually it has a value in hex, which is the RGB value (Red, Blue, Green). So it outputs that exact color of the ice at that exact moment it needs to show it on the screen. That output then goes to a video chip inside the Genesis. The video chip says "OK, I need to convert this to some different types of video output signals". So it converts the color to different types of signals, and sends it to the connector on the back of the Genesis. You plug in a A/V cable (yellow for video, red/white for audio - this is called composite video). Then plug the other end into the TV. The TV takes that signal, sends it to a video chip and says "Hey, this video signal is too confusing to me. Video chip, can you convert this to something I know?". The video chip converts it back to RGB, and the TV understands the values and displays it. With both conversions, you are losing data. When you use the RGB output from the console, no conversion is taking place on either side (console or TV). So the signal is as pure and the color is as pure as it can be.

 

RGB was very big in Europe. It never took off here in the states, which is why TVs here do not have RGB inputs. If you ever see a SCART input on a TV, this uses RGB.

 

http://retrorgb.com - check this website out for comparison screenshots. It can also answer many of your questions.

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The link Raph posted is where I got mine. That is a good price, 3 years ago I paid $500.

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28 minutes ago, aqualizard said:

I play on an HDTV.  But it is a plasma with no (or very little) lag.  I think LED TVs will have lag. 

You talking emulator or console?

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I was talking emulator? Did I get it wrong?  (Now I see Coach likely meant the console.  Oops.)

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10 hours ago, slapshot67 said:

Maybe these cables can work, I would like to get one, but they always sell out fast.

http://www.hdretrovision.com

Just noticed a recent update on this site for buyers in Canada. Looks like the cables are in stock and available from a Canadian distributor (no exchange, or duties).

https://retrostuff.ca/

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