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Alright here's the deal.

I got accused of cheating and said I will be reported to Angryjay.

All I can do is to the best of my ability to inform you what happened, to redeem my reputation.

So I'll just put in here the whole conversation we had uncut and uncencored, the game video that we played, and the .krec save file of the game (It's a good thing I record all my games and I finally got to put that in use) We played the game with the default GDL Season 5 rom.


swos94 (21:37:28): hi

WagsTh (21:37:33): ok ip?

swos94 (21:37:46): the way I can host your home games is that I make a custom rom so that our teams play in playoff mode

swos94 (21:37:52): that way home/away is reversed

swos94 (21:37:57): 82.128.187.199

swos94 (21:38:14): Ive done it succesfully with dozen of players

** The Game **

WagsTh (21:45:45): what the hell

swos94 (21:45:50): yeah ?

WagsTh (21:46:01): you paused it as i am going into shoot?

swos94 (21:46:11): I think we have desynced then

swos94 (21:46:16): it's 7-1 for me here

WagsTh (21:46:21): wow hahahahah

WagsTh (21:46:23): you are nuts

WagsTh (21:46:32): well it desynched for me at 10-0 me

WagsTh (21:46:34):

WagsTh (21:46:47): how the f**k does your ip desynch?

swos94 (21:46:53): that's odd

swos94 (21:46:59): I saw you playing smart moves

WagsTh (21:47:06): yeah something is fishy with you

swos94 (21:47:27): you even changed your goalie after he had took too many in

WagsTh (21:47:28): your desynch is fishy..your special rom is fishy

swos94 (21:47:33): you even looked at instant replay

swos94 (21:47:37): of a shot that didn't go in

WagsTh (21:47:39): your game is fishy

swos94 (21:47:42): I have all that on tape

WagsTh (21:47:50): i think we have a cheater here

swos94 (21:47:50): I record every single game

WagsTh (21:47:52): see ya

swos94 (21:47:56): later

WagsTh (21:48:01): f**kin cheat

swos94 (21:48:21): I can report that game as 7-1 for me

WagsTh (21:48:25): um no

WagsTh (21:48:38): you won't report the game as anything cause we didn't finish

swos94 (21:48:53): ok let me just lay out my evidence let others decide

WagsTh (21:48:57): ..and i am reporting your cheatin to angryjay

swos94 (21:49:05): cool what ever

swos94 (21:49:13): why do you think I cheat ?

WagsTh (21:49:16): you can lay out evidence whatever you like.. doesn't make our game final

swos94 (21:49:20): was I too good or something ?

WagsTh (21:49:20): you f**king cheat

WagsTh (21:49:30): yeah you are awesome when we desynch

WagsTh (21:49:40): makes me seem like i am not even there!

swos94 (21:49:44): you say it's 10-0 for you ?

WagsTh (21:49:57): well that was a joke just like your 7-1

swos94 (21:50:00): can you give me a screenshot

WagsTh (21:50:04): ^^

swos94 (21:50:07): pls

WagsTh (21:50:15): ^^

swos94 (21:50:27): you cant provide it

WagsTh (21:50:32): read above d**khead

WagsTh (21:50:37): thats what ^^ means

swos94 (21:50:41): ok

swos94 (21:50:47): was just wondering what it means

swos94 (21:50:59): well I dont have time for this kind of s**t

WagsTh (21:51:01): i said 10-0 me was a joke.. just like your 7-1 screen shot

swos94 (21:51:06): lets just not play if you don't like playing against me

WagsTh (21:51:26): i dont' like playing against fishy players

swos94 (21:51:34): I have more important things to do than to argue about nhl94 cheating

swos94 (21:51:44): I'm fishy because I lead 7-1 ?

WagsTh (21:51:45): seems like you want to end the convo pretty early

WagsTh (21:51:51): 7-1 hahahahaha

WagsTh (21:52:11): you are an awesome player when the other guy desynchs

WagsTh (21:52:21): but like you said, you don't have time to argue that

swos94 (21:52:27): I dont think there's any way I can convince you at this point so there's no point

WagsTh (21:52:33): exactly

swos94 (21:52:41): I can just lay out my evidence in nhl94.com forums and let others decide

WagsTh (21:52:42): if you really need the win.. take it

WagsTh (21:53:08): if i was winning a game then it desynchs i can lay out my evidence pretty well too.. doesn't make it right

swos94 (21:53:16): the evidence will show you plaayed smart

swos94 (21:53:19): you pulled goalie

swos94 (21:53:23): and such

WagsTh (21:53:32): i am not questioning that.. i am questioning the score you claim

WagsTh (21:53:44): and the fact that you want to report it as a win

swos94 (21:53:45): if it's not 7-1 it's 6-1

swos94 (21:53:53): because I just scored for no defense

swos94 (21:53:56): that 7-1

WagsTh (21:54:14): well get your cheap win.. it suits the rest of your actions

swos94 (21:54:32): ok I'll get my win because I see no cheap in that in any way

swos94 (21:54:36): and have a good day

WagsTh (21:54:39): you are the only guy i know who has lag and desynch on your own ip

swos94 (21:54:53): I live in Finland, duh

WagsTh (21:54:55): and then you have a "special rom"

swos94 (21:54:58): games are laggy against me

WagsTh (21:55:01): well thats your problem

swos94 (21:55:02): I live in Europe

WagsTh (21:55:07): again, your problem

WagsTh (21:55:10): not mine

swos94 (21:55:31): "special rom" is for the purposes that wouldn't have to play in american servers

swos94 (21:55:35): because that would be unequal

WagsTh (21:55:37): suuuuure

WagsTh (21:55:43): again, your problem

swos94 (21:55:46): I would just hand my opponent free win

WagsTh (21:55:49): i prefer not to play our

WagsTh (21:55:51): you

swos94 (21:55:56): cool lets not

WagsTh (21:56:01): enjoy finland

swos94 (21:56:36): ok regardless of you giving me default win I will post this conversation along with the game tape to nhl94.com forums

swos94 (21:56:47): so others can decide and have all the info available

WagsTh (21:56:49): do what you like

swos94 (21:56:52): cool

WagsTh (21:56:56): enjoy finland

swos94 (21:57:10): later man

WagsTh signed off at 21:57:23.

wagsth is offline and will receive your IMs when signing back in.

swos94 (21:57:35): I hope we're in some kind of agreement later

WagsTh is unable to receive offline IMs.


to wagsth's defense I have to say my games against Carse after this also desynced, and I can only think and hope it's because I wasn't playing from my apartment where I normally do.

Edited by swos

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After watching the video, its obvious no desynching took place until the start of the 3rd. So swos did have a 6-1 lead after two.

Now, what does this say about Wags claiming he was up 10-0(Im sure he was joking), is obviously not true. I think the only solution here is for you guys to play one more period and Game Stitch it.

If an agreement cant be made, I think a 6-1 win after two periods for swos should be posted.

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Its clear wags was in game while it was 5-0 cause he changed his goalie at the end of the period. anything after that is arguable.

so just pick up where you left off, 5-0 second period.

Or 5-1 second period since wags will probably complain.

Edit - Thegreat's solution is even better if you aprove of his analysis

Edited by shaftman

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If I had to pick a spot at which it looks like the desync occurs it's right before the second period ends, so when swos is leading 6-1.

Also, swos, we need to teach you about VirtualDub and x264.

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LOL

just another reason why this guy needs to be blacklisted from all leagues for life.

I dread playing him because you know if something like a desync happens there will be a huge despute. He aint honest. Theres always some issue that comes up when you gota play him.

And cman, UP 10-0 LMAO...if your up 10-0 you should know something is wrong, clearly you werent tho.

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From what i can tell, its rather obvious the game is 6-1, its indisputable, the evidence clearly depicts that fact.

Obviously, there are two other guys in charge aside from me, but this is my feeling about the situation and if donch and ice disagree, then we can go with what they decide.

But i say the game ends 7-1, there is no playing out of the 3rd period, wags behavior was way out of line and to avoid further problems cropping up, id rather we just avoid playing that last period since the game was easily in hand.

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From what i can tell, its rather obvious the game is 6-1, its indisputable, the evidence clearly depicts that fact.

Obviously, there are two other guys in charge aside from me, but this is my feeling about the situation and if donch and ice disagree, then we can go with what they decide.

But i say the game ends 7-1, there is no playing out of the 3rd period, wags behavior was way out of line and to avoid further problems cropping up, id rather we just avoid playing that last period since the game was easily in hand.

Agreed

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I agree the game must've desynched after 7-1. If Wags doesn't want to play 3rd period thats fine, Swos can get the win based on a 7-1 final.

Wags, you gotta man up bro and accept the fact you got your tail whipped.

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ya swos and I played after this and we got desynched like 3 times... it is obvious as hell that this game was 6-1 when the desynch happened

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Guest Wags13

This issue was never about "getting my tail whipped".. i am quite good at that.. the issue I take is with when the desynch happened...and swos' attempt to report the game as final. Swos also happens to have a "special rom" that he likes everyone to play with so that he can host on his P2P IP.. i wonder if the rom is league approved? I'd prefer to not play swos anymore.

Oh by the way- Habs- blow me.

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That rom is totally legit i say, Swos whooped me on the floor when he did it with me, but there was no cheating at all, he's not changing the stats or s**t, btw can we check if Wags is legit? His behaviour is way worst then manipulating the rom in any way (if that's the case...) Wags that ''misjudgement'' of Swos calling a 7-1 final on you is maybe caused by the fact that you are a... lethal douche in the conversation?

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Swos is one of the most stand-up, classy guys on this site. I agree it was at least 6-1 when they were decynked. Not only is swos' rom legit, its genius, and he went to alot of work to help us with the lag that comes with him living is FINLAND..

Wags stop crying and looking for cheaters, its not cheating is beating your a*s, cause swos owns you.

Like Ice said man up, and accept it when u get your a*s handed to you.

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I think a resolution to the game has already been made in this thread....everything else posted just leads to more trashing the forums.

TC.

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I'd prefer to not play swos anymore.

If this is the case, you forfeit both games against swos.

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