HABS Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 GENS A ODDS TO WIN DIVISION Eastern Conference Patrick Division Detroit - jrodimus -165 Toronto - Angryjay +160 Buffalo - Vocally Caged +170 Winnipeg - Hokkeefan +3000 Adams Division Los Angeles - freydey -125 Vancouver - canadiensfan66 -125 Hartford - FPB +600 Philadelphia - Dcicon5148 +10000 Western Conference Norris Division NY Rangers - Swos +150 Dallas - Sebe +150 Quebec - Zalex +150 Boston - dexpsu83 +5000 Smythe Division Calgary - carse -110 Edmonton - icestorm +1800 Chicago - Flasox -110 Montreal - Boknowsnhl94 +600 ODDS TO WIN CUP GENS A FALL 2011 CGY +170 X% carse L.A +300 X% freydey VAN +390 X% canadiensfan66 CHI +390 X% Flasox DET +420 X% jrodimus N.Y +600 X% Swos DAL +660 X% Sebe QUE +600 X% Zalex BUF +725 X% Vocally Caged TOR +600 X% Angryjay MTL +2000 X% Boknowsnhl94 EDM +2300 X% icestorm HFD +2500 X% FPB WPG +9000 X% Hokkeefan BOS +15000 X% dexpsu83 PHI +25000 X% Dcicon5148 This is one of the most wide open leagues I've seen with soo many high level coaches. Sorry no odds for GENS B or C as I don't know much about alot of the coaches, if anybody in those leagues wants to give it a shot go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgman Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I'm kinda referring not joining my favorite team st Louis is not taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRoBob38 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I'll put $100 on Carse to win it all, and $1 on dcicon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 My $1,000 bets: $100 on VC (+170) division $100 on HABS (-125) division $200 on Sebe (+150) division $200 on Carse (-110) division $400 on Carse (+170) Cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRoBob38 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I'll do divisions, I guess I have the right to since I've played the majority of these guys at one point in time. $50 on AJ in the Patrick (little skeptical cuz idk who jr is) $100 on frey in the Adams Life savings on Zalex (don't worry, that's less than the $50 I bet on AJ) My dog on Carse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABS Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Ill take Vocally Caged +170 patrick nice value freydey -125 safe bet Dallas - Sebe +150 lota good buggers with mods on this tm Flasox -110 should be tight with carse another toss up Cup Flasox +272 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Detroit - jrodimus -165 Los Angeles - freydey -125 Vancouver - canadiensfan66 -125 Calgary - carse -110 Chicago - Flasox -110 Why can't Americans use numbers properly? Everything should be +. You're just being manipulated by bookies who want you to bet more than $100 on a favourite Bet $100, win $x plus your $100 Detroit - jrodimus +61 Los Angeles - freydey +80 Vancouver - canadiensfan66 +80 Calgary - carse +91 Chicago - Flasox +91 Here are the given odds as chance of winning Team Win $ Chance Coach DET +61 62.3% jrodimus TOR +160 38.5% Angryjay BUF +170 37.0% Vocally Caged WPG +3000 3.2% Hokkeefan TOTAL 141.0% L.A +80 55.6% freydey VAN +80 55.6% canadiensfan66 HFD +600 14.3% FPB PHI +10000 1.0% Dcicon5148 TOTAL 126.4% N.Y +150 40.0% Swos DAL +150 40.0% Sebe QUE +150 40.0% Zalex BOS +5000 2.0% dexpsu83 TOTAL 122.0% CGY +91 52.4% carse EDM +1800 5.3% icestorm CHI +91 52.4% Flasox MTL +600 14.3% Boknowsnhl94 TOTAL 124.3% CGY +170 37.0% carse L.A +250 28.6% freydey VAN +270 27.0% canadiensfan66 CHI +272 26.9% Flasox DET +299 25.1% jrodimus N.Y +500 16.7% Swos DAL +500 16.7% Sebe QUE +500 16.7% Zalex BUF +500 16.7% Vocally Caged TOR +500 16.7% Angryjay MTL +900 10.0% Boknowsnhl94 HFD +1500 6.3% FPB EDM +4500 2.2% icestorm WPG +9000 1.1% Hokkeefan BOS +15000 0.7% dexpsu83 PHI +25000 0.4% Dcicon5148 TOTAL 248.5% Also, Habs takes home a 60% house advantage in the cup betting, since the total chance of winning per team is way over 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I'm kinda referring not joining my favorite team st Louis is not taken The new team selection method makes it much more likely you'll get your 1st choice team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABS Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 LMAO house always wins! sweet breakdown smoz. yah I guess cup odds should be much higher nums. Division odds are close to 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Easiest way is probably to assign %s, then to convert from % to + format.. example: 37.0% (carse cup) p = 37.0% -> 0.37 +x = 1/p - 1 +x = 1/0.37 - 1 +x = 2.70 -1 +x = 1.70 then times $100.. +170 with 16 teams, the average % should be 1/16 = 6.25% so the average + should be, by the above formula, +1500 but if you want the house to take a cut, maybe make it 6.25 x 120% = 7.5% --> +1233 to come up with %s for each team, maybe do something like how many cups you expect carse to win before dcicon wins dc 1 cup carse 92.5 cups (by 37%/0.4% from the table) then assign other people a number of cups relative these two.. then add up all the cups, and for each player, divide their number of cups by the total number of cups to get %s for each coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRoBob38 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) "Why can't Americans use numbers properly?" Habs, location: Toronto AYE SO CONFUSO. Unless there's a Toronto in Iowa or some other state nobody even knows about. Edited August 31, 2011 by PRoBob38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRoBob38 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 hahahaha, who's good?!?!?!?! Toronto, Illinois, located south of Springfield, Illinois and to the west of Lake Springfield Toronto, Indiana Toronto, Iowa Toronto, Kansas Toronto, Missouri Toronto, Ohio Toronto, South Dakota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 "Why can't Americans use numbers properly?" Habs, location: Toronto AYE SO CONFUSO. Unless there's a Toronto in Iowa or some other state nobody even knows about. I just mean he's using American style odds instead of sensible ones (ones not expressed as a discontinuous function) : ) hahahaha, who's good?!?!?!?! Toronto, Illinois, located south of Springfield, Illinois and to the west of Lake Springfield Toronto, Indiana Toronto, Iowa Toronto, Kansas Toronto, Missouri Toronto, Ohio Toronto, South Dakota Damn, what are the ODDS of that. ba dum, tchhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRoBob38 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Damn, what are the ODDS of that. ba dum, tchhh Oh man, don't touch smozoma, he's heatin' up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRoBob38 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Toronto, Iowa on wikipedia: "According to the United States Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 0.2 square miles (0.5 km²), all of it land. As of the census[3] of 2000, there were 134 people, 51 households, and 41 families residing in the city. The population density was 728.6 people per square mile (287.4/km²). There were 55 housing units at an average density of 299.1 per square mile (118.0/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 100.00% White. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 0.75% of the population. There were 51 households out of which 39.2% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 72.5% were married couples living together, 5.9% had a female householder with no husband present, and 19.6% were non-families. 19.6% of all households were made up of individuals and 5.9% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.63 and the average family size was 3.00. In the city the population was spread out with 24.6% under the age of 18, 10.4% from 18 to 24, 22.4% from 25 to 44, 31.3% from 45 to 64, and 11.2% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 42 years. For every 100 females there were 127.1 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 114.9 males. The median income for a household in the city was $27,500, and the median income for a family was $27,500. Males had a median income of $22,188 versus $13,125 for females. The per capita income for the city was $13,702. There were 5.0% of families and 6.3% of the population living below the poverty line, including 7.7% of under eighteens and none of those over 64" I say we all move there when we retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokkeefan Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 "Why can't Americans use numbers properly?" Habs, location: Toronto AYE SO CONFUSO. Unless there's a Toronto in Iowa or some other state nobody even knows about. its not toronto ,its toronta,there basically american Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokkeefan Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 GENS A ODDS TO WIN DIVISION Eastern Conference Patrick Division Detroit - jrodimus -165 Toronto - Angryjay +160 Buffalo - Vocally Caged +170 Winnipeg - Hokkeefan +3000 Adams Division Los Angeles - freydey -125 Vancouver - canadiensfan66 -125 Hartford - FPB +600 Philadelphia - Dcicon5148 +10000 Western Conference Norris Division NY Rangers - Swos +150 Dallas - Sebe +150 Quebec - Zalex +150 Boston - dexpsu83 +5000 Smythe Division Calgary - carse -110 Edmonton - icestorm +1800 Chicago - Flasox -110 Montreal - Boknowsnhl94 +600 ODDS TO WIN CUP GENS A FALL 2011 Calgary - carse +170 Los Angeles - freydey +250 Vancouver - canadiensfan66 +270 Chicago - Flasox +272 Detroit - jrodimus +299 NY Rangers - Swos +500 Dallas - Sebe +500 Quebec - Zalex +500 Buffalo - Vocally Caged +500 Toronto - Angryjay +500 Montreal - Boknowsnhl94 +900 Hartford - FPB +1500 Edmonton - icestorm +4500 Winnipeg - Hokkeefan +9000 Boston - dexpsu83 +15000 Philadelphia - Dcicon5148 +25000 This is one of the most wide open leagues I've seen with soo many high level coaches. Sorry no odds for GENS B or C as I don't know much about alot of the coaches, if anybody in those leagues wants to give it a shot go for it. no offence guys but shouldnt vc and bo be down here with the rest of us bums ? and jrod hasnt played in ages and hes a favorite to win? hopefully jrod pulls it out cause hes one of the better dudes around here and icestorm wayyyyy down here to? I hope us bums take out some more favorites again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRoBob38 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 its not toronto ,its toronta,there basically american I call BS on that. I was there a couple years ago, they use FAKE Heinz ketchup, made in Canada... not Pittsburgh. Tasted awful. My opinion of Toronto will always be tainted because of that crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABS Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 no offence guys but shouldnt vc and bo be down here with the rest of us bums ? and jrod hasnt played in ages and hes a favorite to win? hopefully jrod pulls it out cause hes one of the better dudes around here and icestorm wayyyyy down here to? I hope us bums take out some more favorites again. vc is up there because hes got buffalo, and is capable of real good seasons and real bad seasons you never know what u gonna get. bo im not sure... icestorm way down there cuz its edm but actually they do got klima so they aint that bad prolly needs adjusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 LMAO house always wins! sweet breakdown smoz. yah I guess cup odds should be much higher nums. Division odds are close to 100. Just a note on Vegas odds as I understand them: They don't necessarily reflect what the chances of a team winning are, but rather how the betting action will take place, in an attempt to get some even action. For example, let's say the "true" odds are that Carse w/ CAL and JRod w/ DET to win the cup are the same, and you set the line at +100 each. The public, not as familiar with JRod because he wasn't in the last few classic tourneys and also riding on Carse's 3 championships, start to bet money on Carse. The line would adjust down for Carse to -110 (or +91 for Smoz ). Now, the odds go Carse -110, JRod +100...etc, until action starts moving away from Carse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokkeefan Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Just a note on Vegas odds as I understand them: They don't necessarily reflect what the chances of a team winning are, but rather how the betting action will take place, in an attempt to get some even action. For example, let's say the "true" odds are that Carse w/ CAL and JRod w/ DET to win the cup are the same, and you set the line at +100 each. The public, not as familiar with JRod because he wasn't in the last few classic tourneys and also riding on Carse's 3 championships, start to bet money on Carse. The line would adjust down for Carse to -110 (or +91 for Smoz ). Now, the odds go Carse -110, JRod +100...etc, until action starts moving away from Carse. I predict carse puts me out rd 1 and then he gets upset after that ,cause his head is too big and he keeps falling off his pc chair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABS Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Just a note on Vegas odds as I understand them: They don't necessarily reflect what the chances of a team winning are, but rather how the betting action will take place, in an attempt to get some even action. For example, let's say the "true" odds are that Carse w/ CAL and JRod w/ DET to win the cup are the same, and you set the line at +100 each. The public, not as familiar with JRod because he wasn't in the last few classic tourneys and also riding on Carse's 3 championships, start to bet money on Carse. The line would adjust down for Carse to -110 (or +91 for Smoz ). Now, the odds go Carse -110, JRod +100...etc, until action starts moving away from Carse. yes this is very true. Public betting moves the lines, opening line is just oddsmakers putting up lines to get most money on both sides so that house wins off vig juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 B Odds: http://forum.nhl94.com/index.php?/topic/13392-gens-b-vegas-odds/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Just a note on Vegas odds as I understand them: They don't necessarily reflect what the chances of a team winning are, but rather how the betting action will take place, in an attempt to get some even action. For example, let's say the "true" odds are that Carse w/ CAL and JRod w/ DET to win the cup are the same, and you set the line at +100 each. The public, not as familiar with JRod because he wasn't in the last few classic tourneys and also riding on Carse's 3 championships, start to bet money on Carse. The line would adjust down for Carse to -110 (or +91 for Smoz ). Now, the odds go Carse -110, JRod +100...etc, until action starts moving away from Carse. Yeah, I get that (noticed the odds changing at a horse race..), I just think the minus notation is weird and unnecessary, and the %s give a better indication of what you're betting. Considering the odds as % makes more sense to me, even if they are fudged to ensure they reflect the betting patterns and projected house profit, not the event reality. If it says Carse has a +170, and I convert that to 37%, and I think he has say a 25% chance of winning, then I wouldn't bet on it, but if I think he's closer to 50%, then I'd take it. If I just see +170, what the heck does that mean.. (although actually the +s are not that hard to understand, but the minuses are not intuitive) Icestorm at 2.2%, I'd put a dollar on that. EDM isn't *that* bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryjay93 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Icestorm at 2.2%, I'd put a dollar on that. EDM isn't *that* bad. Word, Edmonton is sneaky good, a few years ago i had the best record in the league with them before pulling out of the playoffs. This was back when i was good and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABS Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Adjusted odds CGY +170 X% carse L.A +300 X% freydey VAN +390 X% canadiensfan66 CHI +390 X% Flasox DET +420 X% jrodimus N.Y +600 X% Swos DAL +660 X% Sebe QUE +600 X% Zalex BUF +725 X% Vocally Caged TOR +600 X% Angryjay MTL +2000 X% Boknowsnhl94 EDM +2300 X% icestorm HFD +2500 X% FPB WPG +9000 X% Hokkeefan BOS +15000 X% dexpsu83 PHI +25000 X% Dcicon5148 and AJ enough with the "woah is me, im so bad now from rust and im going to suck but in reality i think im the greatest and will beat everybody in this league easily" in every post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABS Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 for comparison this is pinnacles current NHL odds ODDS TO WIN 2011/12 STANLEY CUP 101 Vancouver Canucks +740 102 Pittsburgh Penguins +815 103 Philadelphia Flyers +1085 104 Washington Capitals +808 105 Boston Bruins +1085 106 Detroit Red Wings +1300 107 San Jose Sharks +1300 108 Chicago Blackhawks +1515 109 Los Angeles Kings +1677 110 Tampa Bay Lightning +1731 111 Edmonton Oilers +2697 112 Buffalo Sabres +1839 113 Montreal Canadiens +2020 114 Anaheim Ducks +2697 115 New Jersey Devils +2697 116 New York Rangers +3237 117 Nashville Predators +3237 118 Carolina Hurricanes +4313 119 Calgary Flames +3856 120 Dallas Stars +4313 121 Phoenix Coyotes +4313 122 St Louis Blues +5391 123 Toronto Maple Leafs +6468 124 Winnipeg Jets +6468 125 Columbus Blue Jackets +7542 126 Colorado Avalanche +7542 127 Minnesota Wild +7542 128 Ottawa Senators +8620 129 New York Islanders +10772 130 Florida Panthers +10772 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcicon5148 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 The new team selection method makes it much more likely you'll get your 1st choice team lol, doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freydey Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 and AJ enough with the "woah is me, im so bad now from rust and im going to suck but in reality i think im the greatest and will beat everybody in this league easily" in every post... seconded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWingDevil Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Word, Edmonton is sneaky good, a few years ago i had the best record in the league with them before pulling out of the playoffs. This was back when i was good and such. Speaking of sneaky good teams, when will you finish the writeups for Quebec and Washington? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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