Puck Junk Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I heard that in NHL '95, if you played full season mode and your team got to 128 points in the standings that it would roll back to 0 points, putting your team last. Is that true, and if so, on what versions of the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathon Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I know it happens in the Sega Genesis Version, not sure on SNES or PC. To get around it and you don't want to lose games you can "Start season after today" on the cart. Pretty Crazy after a quick google search I found people talking about the glitch in 1995 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.games.video.sega/0oZlyfQqiYM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I remember that glitch! Definitely a real thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck Junk Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Thanks. Looks like it definitely was a bug in the Genesis version. I have the SNES version, but never played enough games to get potentially get to 128 points. And I'm not going to try anytime soon, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 yeah those season modes were big when I was 14 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 That's funny. The cause is that a "signed byte" can store numbers from -128 to 127. If you try to add to a number greater than 127, it'll wrap around to -128, -127 etc. If the game displayed 0, I guess they had some code to protect against displaying negative numbers. I don't know why they didn't use an unsigned byte (0-255)! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathon Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 53 minutes ago, smozoma said: That's funny. The cause is that a "signed byte" can store numbers from -128 to 127. If you try to add to a number greater than 127, it'll wrap around to -128, -127 etc. If the game displayed 0, I guess they had some code to protect against displaying negative numbers. I don't know why they didn't use an unsigned byte (0-255)! Awesome work. I think you are the first person outside the EA programmer that messed up to know exactly where the glitch was!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathon Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 had to spread the word of Smoz's big brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Can't say I actually found the code in the ROM, I can just see what the problem is because it's a common thing to need to deal with in old-school programming . Might even be a fixable bug. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Can someone do me a favour and make a .srm of a season with a team with 126 or 127 points, and then another .srm with the with the bug symptom? I'll take a stab at fixing it. Maybe can be used as a way to recruit people for ko94-3 and then the 95 tournament if some social-media-savvy folks can get the fix some publicity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathon Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 11 hours ago, smozoma said: Can someone do me a favour and make a .srm of a season with a team with 126 or 127 points, and then another .srm with the with the bug symptom? I'll take a stab at fixing it. Maybe can be used as a way to recruit people for ko94-3 and then the 95 tournament if some social-media-savvy folks can get the fix some publicity. I'll mess around with it, What program should I use? GENS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 I think all the Gens versions make compatible .srm files, but just in case, please use this one, since it's the hacking emulator I'll be using: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgman Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) I remember a bug with leading scorers as well that really pissed me off Edited September 25, 2018 by kgman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathon Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 22 hours ago, smozoma said: I think all the Gens versions make compatible .srm files, but just in case, please use this one, since it's the hacking emulator I'll be using: Going to have to put some work in to recreate bug, Was hoping to autoskip to April win a few games to recreate bug, but it looks like I will have to do about 20 games at end of season to make it happen. Fun fact the the actually attributes of player must not mean anything when doing autoskip as I traded a bunch of great players to the Flames and they went .500 and Mike Donnelly lead the league in Goals without Wayne and Luc on the Kings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathon Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 6 hours ago, kgman said: I remember a bug with leading scorers as well that really pissed me off I don't remember that one as well, was it 128 pts as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachMac Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 27 minutes ago, segathon said: Fun fact the the actually attributes of player must not mean anything when doing autoskip as I traded a bunch of great players to the Flames and they went .500 and Mike Donnelly lead the league in Goals without Wayne and Luc on the Kings. NHL Series works just like TSB. It is literally one byte that determines CPU vs CPU games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Some progress made on this bug in this other thread: https://forum.nhl94.com/index.php?/topic/24584-nhl-23-95-rom/page/2/#comment-195794 I'll add any updates in this thread. Still waiting on others to test (I can't win 70 games on 95!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rezmang Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 Any chance to get a RetroArch (Game Genie) code for this mod? The above mentioned patch is in a forked version of NHL 95, which is a bit different. Would love to be able to patch a cheat on the original rom. Thank you everyone for this thread!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Ozbourne Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 On 2/23/2023 at 10:16 PM, smozoma said: Still waiting on others to test (I can't win 70 games on 95!) Could just do what I do when I'm testing playoffs. Play 2 VS mode, your "opponent" pulls the goalie, oh and 30 second periods so you don't take all day. [although testing 16 games takes long enough, can't imagine 70] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, von Ozbourne said: Could just do what I do when I'm testing playoffs. Play 2 VS mode, your "opponent" pulls the goalie, oh and 30 second periods so you don't take all day. [although testing 16 games takes long enough, can't imagine 70] Good idea -- but I will leave this as an exercise for the players of 95 Someone please get it up to 126 or 127 points and make a new savestate or srm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 7 hours ago, rezmang said: Any chance to get a RetroArch (Game Genie) code for this mod? The above mentioned patch is in a forked version of NHL 95, which is a bit different. Would love to be able to patch a cheat on the original rom. Thank you everyone for this thread!!!!! Here are the changes made. All values in hex. @address| $oldvalue | $newvalue @91844 | $6E | $62 @91848 | $6D | $65 @9185C | $6F | $63 @9D5AA | $6E | $62 @9D5AE | $6D | $65 @9D5C2 | $6F | $63 There are websites that can turn them into game genie codes. Here is one, but I don't know what the 'compare' entry means https://games.technoplaza.net/ggencoder/js/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Ozbourne Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, smozoma said: Good idea -- but I will leave this as an exercise for the players of 95 Someone please get it up to 126 or 127 points and make a new savestate or srm Tell you what, we can make it a community effort. I played the first two months as Boston, [they were first in line] got them to 23-0-1 with an accidental scoreless tie due to picking a team with few shooters, but that's okay because I liked ties. A third of the way there. Now if somebody else will tag in for a round, we can get this done. NHL 95.srm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraMagnus Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 On 3/2/2023 at 1:40 AM, von Ozbourne said: Tell you what, we can make it a community effort. I played the first two months as Boston, [they were first in line] got them to 23-0-1 with an accidental scoreless tie due to picking a team with few shooters, but that's okay because I liked ties. A third of the way there. Now if somebody else will tag in for a round, we can get this done. NHL 95.srm 64 kB · 4 downloads @smozoma @von Ozbourne Here is the STATE and .srm file for Boston at 126 points with 2 games remaining. NHL95.srm 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 On 3/2/2023 at 1:40 AM, von Ozbourne said: Tell you what, we can make it a community effort. I played the first two months as Boston, [they were first in line] got them to 23-0-1 with an accidental scoreless tie due to picking a team with few shooters, but that's okay because I liked ties. A third of the way there. Now if somebody else will tag in for a round, we can get this done. NHL 95.srm 64 kB · 7 downloads On 3/4/2023 at 9:58 AM, UltraMagnus said: @smozoma @von Ozbourne Here is the STATE and .srm file for Boston at 126 points with 2 games remaining. NHL95.srm 64 kB · 4 downloads 1 137.12 kB · 4 downloads Thanks! I tested this out and Boston stays in 1st place when they have 128 points, and they make the playoffs. The 1st-rounding seeing is correct, they play the 8th-place team in the conference. However, in the 2nd round they were matched up against the 2nd-place team. Is the 2nd-round re-seeding usually correct? If so, then I need to find the re-seeding code and fix that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Ozbourne Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 17 minutes ago, smozoma said: However, in the 2nd round they were matched up against the 2nd-place team. Is the 2nd-round re-seeding usually correct? If so, then I need to find the re-seeding code and fix that as well. Nah. Unfortunately I've always noticed that, well, all of the games from '92-'98 really, will seed the first round to whatever parameters existed at the time, but then just follow the old format of escaping the Charles Adams, Lester Patrick, Conne Smythe and Chuck Norris divisions to get to the conference finals. I'm guessing that the programmers didn't even bother with any reseeding code. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathon Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Doing good work boys! The 29-year reign of the 128 pt bug is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 20 hours ago, von Ozbourne said: Nah. Unfortunately I've always noticed that, well, all of the games from '92-'98 really, will seed the first round to whatever parameters existed at the time, but then just follow the old format of escaping the Charles Adams, Lester Patrick, Conne Smythe and Chuck Norris divisions to get to the conference finals. I'm guessing that the programmers didn't even bother with any reseeding code. Thanks! I tested it out juuuust in case, and yeah even if I get the Bruins into the playoffs with 126 points, they play the 2nd seed in the 2nd round. So I guess I'll put together a ROM with the fix, and an IPS patch. And maybe figure out game genie codes... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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