77 Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 what about the Haters of NHL94 like myself? 92 & 93 > 94 why? 92 and 93 HAVE FIGHTING!!!! document that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKabs93 Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 cuz you guys obviously have no soul, duh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingraph Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 If you like fighting, then sure '92 and '93 is the better option. Have fun punching the computer with Stu Grimson. Blades of Steel and Mario Lemiuex Hockey also have fighting. Fun stuff. However, if you like competitive gameplay, scoring variations, complete player names and NHL teams, shootouts, manual goalie, etc. then '94 is clearly superior. There's just no argument here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 I remember that GDL '93 league... Always felt so helpless when the opposition had a breakaway lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachMac Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 No one loved 93 more than I. I never even bought or played 94 until a few years ago, because of this site. What a waste. 92 > 93 So I missed that as well. But they are the 3 of the 7 greatest video games ever made, so you got that going for you. (TB, TSB, RBI, Jams) Get over the fighting That is what hung me up for so long. 94 is clearly, deeper and better. Even against the CPU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMikey Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 document that s**t! There is more people that have set foot on the moon then know the true reason there is no fighting in NHL '94, even Lesser didn't know. The doc will even shed light on which key people like/didn't like the fighting and will shed light on the whole history of the... "game". I don't want to give any spoilers away but over half the people I interviewed/talked too, think there is fighting in NHL '94... and there is a reason for that. (93X94)/95=92 To be honest after all this "document s**t" I have been doing, the question... "which game is the best on what system?" means less and less to the real reason why we are all writing on internet blogs about this subject. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 There is more people that have set foot on the moon then know the true reason there is no fighting in NHL '94, even Lesser didn't know. The doc will even shed light on which key people like/didn't like the fighting and will shed light on the whole history of the... "game". I don't want to give any spoilers away but over half the people I interviewed/talked too, think there is fighting in NHL '94... and there is a reason for that. (93X94)/95=92 To be honest after all this "document s**t" I have been doing, the question... "which game is the best on what system?" means less and less to the real reason why we are all writing on internet blogs about this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Russian Rocket Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 It's not a secret why it was removed lol. It was pressure from the NHL and the change in commissioner was done like 9 months prior to release, not hard to figure 1+1 = 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMikey Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) It's not a secret why it was removed lol. It was pressure from the NHL and the change in commissioner was done like 9 months prior to release, not hard to figure 1+1 = 2 Thats what I believed as the whole story when I started, It is a fact but only the smoking gun. Not the reason. I can't explain more with out spoilers. "It's not a secret why it was removed lol. It was pressure from the NHL" = "It's not a secret what killed JFK, he was shot with a gun" Edited July 29, 2016 by McMikey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqualizard Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 I don't want to give any spoilers away but over half the people I interviewed/talked too, think there is fighting in NHL '94... and there is a reason for that. Interesting. But, my guess is, that is the difference between a casual fan who might be somewhat familiar with the games, and a serious fan. Anyone on this site obviously is well aware that fighting isn't in '94. I am sure to JR, FLeury and the like NHL 92-95 and possibly more are all a blur. But what I hope you mean -- though I am sure you don't -- is Jim Simmons and Mark Lesser thought fighting was still in. And it IS in, code-wise. But because of pressure from above, some low level code jockey was asked to flip a flag in the code to "fightng=false" and it is just one simple edit from restoring '94 to it;s full glory! (I know that is a dream, but hey, why not?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Interesting. But, my guess is, that is the difference between a casual fan who might be somewhat familiar with the games, and a serious fan. Anyone on this site obviously is well aware that fighting isn't in '94. I am sure to JR, FLeury and the like NHL 92-95 and possibly more are all a blur. But what I hope you mean -- though I am sure you don't -- is Jim Simmons and Mark Lesser thought fighting was still in. And it IS in, code-wise. But because of pressure from above, some low level code jockey was asked to flip a flag in the code to "fightng=false" and it is just one simple edit from restoring '94 to it;s full glory! (I know that is a dream, but hey, why not?) The fighting graphics aren't there, so the code for fighting is probably gone, too. They filled pretty much the whole ROM with code and data, so maybe there just wasn't enough room for fighting after they put in the player portraits? Going with a 1MB ROM saves costs. But it sounds like there may be some deeper darker secret about fighting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathon Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 How do I upvote to Smoz and Mikey on this forum? Bittersweet but I think Mikey's doc is going to snuff out all other NHL 16 bit iterations with this movie making 95 a footnote. Going to have to start playing 94. Who's going to be my jedi master to train me in the 94 darkside.....Yes 94's the darkside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMikey Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 "Bittersweet but I think Mikey's doc is going to snuff out all other NHL 16 bit iterations with this movie making 95 a footnote" NHL '95 has its place in the movie just like '92 &'93. It's '96 that gets the footnote lol Do you have any footage of you guys playing '95 and loving it? I could possibly use it to give '95 some depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted July 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) sorry to break it to you, but hockey has had fighting since the beginning of time... (well until bettman ruined hockey anyway) 94 WITH fighting would have been the perfect video game... Edited July 31, 2016 by 77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted July 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) and ive said it 1000 times... the fighting code is still there, its disabled and the fighting animations spaces were used for the new checking animations Edited July 31, 2016 by 77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqualizard Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 and ive said it 1000 times... the fighting code is still there, its disabled How do you know this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted July 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 100% speculative, just by comparing the hexcode of all 3 (92, 93, 94) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMikey Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathon Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Just pm'd you some info Mikey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted August 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) soo.... mr. documentary should be asking the programmers not how cool the game is, but how we can re-enable fighting, and then we just borrow the animations from 93... and put them somewhere else actually fu ck that, 95 for PC is a way better platform to create the ultimate hockey game... anything for computer can be reverse enginered =P Edited August 1, 2016 by 77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMikey Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Just pm'd you some info Mikey Thanks bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgman Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 every copy of pixelated heros shold come with fight tutorial .......unless u want me to jersey u Mikey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMikey Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 every copy of pixelated heros shold come with fight tutorial .......unless u want me to jersey u Mikey! Funny thing you would say that Champ. I have been working on something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smozoma Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 and ive said it 1000 times... the fighting code is still there, its disabled and the fighting animations spaces were used for the new checking animations 100% speculative, just by comparing the hexcode of all 3 (92, 93, 94) Interesting, good tip, sometime I'll have to do a code trace of a fight in 93 and look for the same code in 94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted August 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 do it! =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted August 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 sure is a lot of FFFF's in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted August 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 i crossed out the same stuff hmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMikey Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 Interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Stardust Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) I always wondered if this was a possibility, though I don't know how it would be possible for the PC given how the first EA NHL game for the PC already had fighting removed and I have no clue if there is any code for fighting in it too (and the same applies with NHL '95 on PC). Anyone have the contact info of Mark Lesser? Edited August 8, 2016 by Ziggy Stardust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted August 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) its not in the PC versions (just by looking at the exe with a hex editor) the 2 PC versions are useless the only thing worth finding is the sprites Edited August 8, 2016 by 77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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